Balanced Bites Podcast with Diane Sanfilippo & Liz Wolfe | Signs Keto May Not Be Working for You & Summer Skincare Favorites

Podcast Episode #346: Signs Keto May Not Be Working for You & Summer Skincare Favorites

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  1. News and updates from Diane & Liz [1:48]
    1. Balanced Bites Spices
    2. Balanced Bites Master Class
    3. Liz's new boat
    4. Beautycounter compostable makeup removers
  2. Favorite part about summer [10:41]
  3. Listener question: Keto and calories [17:00]
  4. Favorite summer skincare items [28:12]

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You’re listening to the Balanced Bites podcast episode 346.

Diane Sanfilippo: Welcome to the Balanced Bites podcast. I’m Diane; a certified nutrition consultant, and the New York Times bestselling author of Practical Paleo and the new 21-Day Sugar Detox Daily Guide. I live in San Francisco with my husband and fur kids.

Liz Wolfe: I’m Liz; a nutritional therapy practitioner, and author of the Wall Street Journal best-seller Eat the Yolks; The Purely Primal Skincare Guide; and the online program Baby Making and Beyond. I live on a lake in the mystical land of the Midwest, outside of Kansas City.

We’re the co-creators of the Balanced Bites Master Class, and we’ve been bringing you this award-winning podcast for more than 6 years. We’re here to share our take on modern healthy living, answer your questions, and chat with leading health and wellness experts. Enjoy this week’s episode, and submit your questions at or watch the Balanced Bites podcast Instagram account for our weekly calls for questions. You can ask us anything in the comments.

Remember our disclaimer: The materials and content within this podcast are intended as general information only, and are not to be considered a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Before we get started, let’s hear from one of our sponsors.

Diane Sanfilippo: Today’s podcast is sponsored by Equip Foods. Dr. Anthony Gustin and his teams have created lines of supplements that are super clean and effective, no matter what your dietary needs. I’ve been blending Equip’s complete collagen into my matcha latte every morning. Each scoop has 15 grams of protein, and there are no added flavors. It’s a nice frothy texture to my matcha after it’s been blended in. Check out at and use the code Balanced for 20% off everything on the site, as well as at their sister product site. Perfect Keto.

1. News and updates from Diane & Liz [1:48]

Liz Wolfe: Alright. So, Diane, what’s up with you this week?

Diane Sanfilippo: What is up with me? Well, Balanced Bites spices are available. Which I think you guys heard me talk about. Yay! I know. It’s so crazy. I’m hoping to share a little bit more of the story of how the spices came to be and all of that evolution.

Liz Wolfe: Yes. I would love to hear more.

Diane Sanfilippo: Would you?

Liz Wolfe: Yeah. I actually really would. I mean, this is this thing you’ve had in the works. And you just brought it to fruition. And then it was like; all of a sudden, there were Balanced Bites spices. But I know there was a ton more than that behind it.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. Well I started sharing, I don’t know if I posted it to my Instagram feed or just in stories. But I actually dug through spices that I was using back in 2007, 2008 when Balanced Bites was a meal business. I had these giant jars of individual spices that I would then blend myself in the recipes I was making for my meal business. And the labels are now covered by a new one, but you can see underneath. Where you can see through the white stickers that I had made. And on the top it’s like, Balanced Bites spices. Because I needed to label what was in the kitchen. I was in a shared kitchen. And I needed to label my stuff so people wouldn’t steal my stuff!

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: You know, if you just had a generic bottle of garlic powder, and it’s not labeled, someone’s going to take it and use it in their stuff. So anyway, it’s just really funny to look back at that. It’s basically 10 years old that I was kind of dabbling in doing my own thing. And then of course, through Practical Paleo, actually putting the blends out and wanting to share that. Just that easy means to getting yummy food on the table without having to grab five or six bottles every time and not know how to combine it, or how to make it taste good.

So anyway. It’s been brewing in my little mental pipeline for a very, very long time. But yeah, coming to fruition, and then having this new batch out is really exciting. Because the first batch truly was a beta. And I think the second batch is even better. So I’m super excited.

And then the Master Class. We’ve got the Master Class coming up. Enrollment will be opening for that in June. So if you're listening to this, you’ve got about a month to kind of get ready and prepared yourself for that enrollment to be opening. We’ll be sharing a lot more about it in coming episodes of the podcast, and all over our social media and through our email list. But you can definitely stay tuned for that. We’ve got a student track and a coach’s track.

So if you're somebody who is just curious about nutrition and not quite ready to dive in and spend thousands of dollars on a program, perhaps with NTA or where I went at Bauman college or any of the others, our student track is perfect for you. Because you will learn a ton of information, and kind of get a huge head start basically on your peers going into any other program. And also it’s a proving ground for you, whether or not you want to go on and study nutrition more, and do something with it as a career. At an affordable price compared to what you would do in a program that’s set up to give you that certification.

So it’s really interesting to see what people do with the class as they come through it, and how much they’re learning. I really love what we’ve done with that class. So those are a couple of big updates. What’s going on; I like asking you what’s going on over at the lake. This is a fun thing for me.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah?

Diane Sanfilippo: You could ask me what’s happening by the Bay.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs} I could. It’s almost lake season. We didn’t buy a boat. My parents live out here as well, and they’ve had their boat. It’s this little tiny lake. You can have pontoon boats out here, but you can’t go fast. And there’s limits to the horsepower and size of your pontoon boat. So it’s just a bunch of little tiny pontoon boats crawling around. And it’s really cute.

My parents have had this boat for a really long time. And the carpet is shot, and it rained one day and the roof crumbled. So we’ve been basically floating around on a slat. Like a mossy, plywood slat on floaties with some seats on top for the last couple of years. And what’s interesting about this community is there are some budget people and there are some very; I’ll just say it. Very wealthy people. It’s a really cool mix of many different economic brackets. Which is great.

So there are people basically on janky row boats, like us, and there are people that buy these palatial houses from people and end up having the boat come with it, and then they go to a boat show and buy like a $50 billion boat. And then they have this little dinghy that they need to get rid of. And that was the amazing situation we fell into. Where some people kind of inherited a boat when they bought this property, and basically were like; well, we’re going to get a brand new boat so let’s just slap a price tag on this one and maybe somebody will buy it.

And I just happened to be the first person to see this listing on Facebook. I was like, “What?! They’re selling it for that!” So I just kind of jumped on it. I didn’t exactly tell my mom first. But I was like, “Hey mom! We went in on a boat together.” {Laughs} “We’re splitting the cost of this boat.” And it was dirt cheap. It was cheaper for us to buy this boat together than it would have been to replace the carpet on the old boat. So it was just an absolutely ridiculous deal that I stumbled across, and was lucky enough to get there first before the line of people saw the ad on Facebook.

So technically, I’m a part owner of a pontoon boat now. {laughs} Which is not where I saw my life going 5 years ago, but here we are.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} So amazing. I love it.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah. So that will be fun for the summer. I kind of grew up out here on varying types of pontoon boats, and it was always really fun. They do fourth of July, and everybody goes out on the lake. So it will be great.

The other thing that I just threw in here that I thought I would mention. Last episode we were talking about how you compost in San Francisco, which I thought was incredibly cool. Because we obviously don’t have that city-wide compost out here. I think that would be an amazing thing. And it got me thinking about the new Beautycounter makeup wipes. And the fact that they are actually completely biodegradable and compostable. You can actually throw them in your compost when you're doing using them. And I think it is an amazing development. And I thought I’d ask you if you’ve ever used the compostable makeup wipes?

Diane Sanfilippo: I have.

Liz Wolfe: They’re pretty great, huh?

Diane Sanfilippo: They are great. I actually really like them for removing eye makeup. Even though we have that other eye makeup remover. I find myself cutting the makeup wipes up because they’re really big, and you actually don’t need the whole wipe. Even for, probably my most full face of makeup, I don’t think I would even need the full wipe. But I find myself cutting them up to remove eye makeup. Because they’re a little less oily than the regular eye makeup remover. And I like that.

So anyway. I really like them. And I do have to put them aside and remember to carry them over to the kitchen. Which, for better or for worse, our bathroom is kind of right off of our kitchen. Which is a little strange. But #HouseBuiltin1924.

Liz Wolfe: Right.

Diane Sanfilippo: But I have to remember not to just drop it into the trash. Because that’s not the same as putting it into a compost system; putting it into the trash. I think it will biodegrade over time that way, but it’s not the same. And I know what Beautycounter has said about it being compostable. You actually have to put it in a compost set up for that.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah. That’s a great point. That was one of those things; I used to be the person that was like; oh well. It’s alright if every once in a while food scraps or whatever it is end up in the trash. Because it biodegrades anyway. And that’s not actually the case. Because in the dump, where these things go…

Diane Sanfilippo: It’s surrounded by plastic.

Liz Wolfe: There’s no oxygen, I guess, being introduced into that environment. So these things actually fester.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah, it’s not the same living, I don’t know. Biodynamic setting. It’s a lot of plastics that people aren’t recycling. But that’s a whole other topic for another day. But yeah.

Liz Wolfe: Whole other topic. I actually learned that from Colleen. {laughs} #ColleenTaughtMeThat. Total hippie, she knows all about composting. She’s heading up our household composing project.

Diane Sanfilippo: That will be good.

2. Favorite part about summer [10:41]

Liz Wolfe: Yeah. Alright, well speaking of it being hot enough to break down various biological materials.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Summer is just around the corner. And I want to know, Diane, what your favorite thing is about this time of year.

Diane Sanfilippo: Well, it’s definitely not hot weather. I’ll just put it that way. Which is why I live in San Francisco. Even, I think it was yesterday. This is going to date our recording times. But we were driving up north, and it’s actually much warmer about an hour north of San Francisco than it is in San Francisco {laughs}. And I was being such a terrible person, complaining about the heat in the car. We had the air conditioning on, but the sun was beating in. And Scott’s like; you really don’t like hot weather, do you? {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Perspective. Perspective.

Diane Sanfilippo: I really, I know. I really don’t. If I’m kind of on a vacation and laying out by a pool, you know, 80 degrees is ok. But I just, I feel very uncomfortable in hot weather. So not the hot weather. But grilling is absolutely my favorite thing about summer. I love grilled food. I love the smell of it. I love that we have a grill right now, and that it’s outside. I so appreciate that after apartment living for so long.

And even after living; I feel like in our condo, several years ago in New Jersey, we had the microwave over the stove setup. It was just built that way, we didn’t customize that or anything. And I don’t feel like those really pull the indoor grilling smoke out anywhere. Like your smoke detectors are still going off all the time. So outdoor grilling and having it vent to the world. Which, someone is probably going to tell me how bad that is for the environment.

Liz Wolfe: Yay, the acrylamides into the world.

Diane Sanfilippo: Well. I rather enjoy it.

Liz Wolfe: I do too.

Diane Sanfilippo: And I really, really, really love grilled food. I know people have talked about carcinogens from grilling. But years ago when we looked at a lot of research around that, if it’s eaten in the context of a very nutrient dense, high antioxidant diet, it’s really not problematic in the amounts that most of us are eating it. It’s not like we’re grilling 100% of our food every day.

But anyway. I absolutely love grilling! So…

Liz Wolfe: That’s very primal, right? I mean, fire, food.

Diane Sanfilippo: Fire, yeah. Yeah. I’m into it. Totally. What are you into?

Liz Wolfe: Well, what I’m not into. I do love the summer. I love being out on the boat and yadda, yadda, yadda. But I don’t love shorts season. And it has nothing to do with being self-conscious about my body. It has to do with; I am one of those gals with nice, big thighs, and I do not like my thighs sticking to everything. And I do not like my thighs sticking together in the middle. It is so annoying!

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: So I’ve always been a Bermuda shorts type of gal. But I recognize that that makes me look like a 68-year-old; I mean, maybe we have 68-year-old listeners that don’t wear Bermuda shorts. But I just visualize my grandmother, growing up out at the golf course always wearing these really long shorts and visors. {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Mm-hmm.

Liz Wolfe: And a really tight belt around the waist. And I always kind of envisioned myself in that space in my Bermuda shorts. So I’m just not sure they’re all that fashionable anymore.

Diane Sanfilippo: I mean, have we hit the age where we don’t care about that yet?

Liz Wolfe: I guess so.

Diane Sanfilippo: Because, I’m feeling like this 40 situation is; if we all thought I didn’t care what people thought in my 30s; I’m approaching the point of no return.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} I fully wore an outfit the other day to my friend’s barbecue, and I looked at myself, down to my Toms slip on black sneakers. My grandma used to wear Keds a lot. So talking about grandma clothes. And I literally was like; this outfit could have been on my grandmother.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah!

Diane Sanfilippo: And I was like; I am now 75. {laughing}

Liz Wolfe: Which is cool.

Diane Sanfilippo: The girls at the barbecue were wearing cute pants and a shirt and a jean jacket, or like a cute dress. And here I am in these gray knit pants and {laughing} it’s just ridiculous. Don’t care.

Liz Wolfe: It’s just an odd evolution, where you're kind of witnessing yourself thinking differently than maybe you did 5, 10, 15 years ago. And you're like; wow!

Diane Sanfilippo: And wondering, when did they give up? And now. It’s now. When they were 40, they gave up. {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: I. D. G. A. F. Yeah, pretty much. But I do love the warm weather. Just that feeling. I actually love that feeling of the sun just radiating. I love getting into a really hot car. Except for when I’m in shorts, and my thighs make content with the really hot car seat, and that’s just misery. But other than that, tulips and. Well, I guess that’s a little bit earlier in the season. Just everything exploding and beautiful flowers on trees and blue skies. I just got so sick of the winter. Winter is only wonderful to me when there is beautiful snow and we did not have enough beautiful snow this year. So I’m over it, and I’m excited to move on.

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3. Listener question: Keto and calories [17:00]

Liz Wolfe: Alright. Today, we’re going to answer a question about keto and calories. This question is from Tiffany. She says, “I eat paleo/keto, but only get about 1700 calories a day, and I’m rarely ever hungry. I’ve done a lot of different calculations, and should be getting more along the line of 2000-2300 depending on my activity level for the day. But I just can’t seem to get there. The problem is my energy level is terrible, my workouts are suffering, and I’m actually gaining weight instead of losing. Can you give me some tips on how to get more calories and still stay within my chosen diet?”

Let’s talk a little bit about the activity level. “Paleo/keto, six to seven days a week of CrossFit, weights, yoga. Average 7 hours of sleep throughout the week. Supplements fish oil, vitamin D, zinc, and a liver cleanse.”

This isn’t really in my frame, right now. Diane, what do you have to say about this?

Diane Sanfilippo: Well, so, she’s got her question that she wants us to answer. And then there’s the question that’s in here that I actually want to answer. Or I should say, the topic that I want to address.

Liz Wolfe: Ah-ha.

Diane Sanfilippo: So, this is basically a vegetarian that they feel low energy, and lethargic, and are losing weight in an unhealthy way. Or are losing their hair. Or their dental health isn’t good, and asking, “How do I improve this while eating a vegetarian diet?”

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: So, for me, her goals are at odds with her chosen way of eating. So the bottom line for her question is having low energy and suffering workouts and gaining instead of losing, and feeling like the reason is not enough calories, how do I get more calories in my chosen diet? I mean, if you're eating keto and you want more calories, add a couple of tablespoons more of fat. It shouldn’t be too hard to eat more fat.

Add an extra tablespoon of olive oil to your salad twice a day or on top of your veggies. A tablespoon of butter or olive oil is super easy to add to anything. Which is why, conversely, when people are not eating as much fat, it’s actually really hard to have a salad with very little fat. It’s kind of dry and not that fun to eat.

So, you know, that’s kind of the bottom line. If you say you need more calories, and you're not feeling well because you're not getting them, I don’t really care that you're not that hungry. Then eat them. This is how you eat them; with extra fat. In that chosen dietary framework.

Now, that being said, I don’t think this diet is working for you. I don’t know how long you’ve been eating this way, but keto and CrossFit don’t really go together that well. That doesn’t mean there aren’t people who do it and feel ok doing it. It doesn’t sound like that’s you.

Six to seven days a week of CrossFit, in general, is too much CrossFit. And that is spoken after 10 years of experience of working with people and myself. I don’t even think coaches who coach CrossFit do CrossFit 7 days a week. They might have some recovery days, or things like that. And I don’t know how old she is. Did she have; I don’t know if there were some more notes about that.

Liz Wolfe: I didn’t see that. She might not be doing six to seven days a week of CrossFit. But she is doing six to seven days a week of something.

Diane Sanfilippo: Oh, mixing it.

Liz Wolfe: CrossFit, weights, yoga.

Diane Sanfilippo: Ok.

Liz Wolfe: Which is still a lot.

Diane Sanfilippo: Ok, so I really think for most people, 4 days a week of CrossFit is plenty. And would be a max. And so really ideally more like 3. Like a Monday, Wednesday, Friday CrossFit schedule. Or Monday, Wednesday, Saturday. And mixing in some other things. For most people, especially if you want to do it for the long-term. I think a lot of people see CrossFit athletes and end up doing it more often. So anyway, I’ll table that and just kind of leave that aside.

But, having low energy, suffering workouts, and gaining weight instead of losing are all the biggest red flags that what you're doing isn’t working. You don’t feel well. And so trying to continue to do what doesn’t feel good; I mean, I can’t advise on doing that. I think it would be irresponsible if I said; “Well, you’ll just feel better when you add more fat.”

Maybe you will. But it really sounds like you live a very active lifestyle. And what I think would be a better idea. So, I don’t know whose “keto diet” she’s following in this case. But I think it would be a good idea to look at Leanne Vogel’s book, The Keto Diet, because she actually really breaks it down in a way that’s not so strictly low, low, low carb. She really gives you a way to cycle things, or to see how active you are and refuel carbohydrates after workouts. So that you don’t feel this way. So that you're not suffering.

Initially, as I’m answering this, I’m presuming that you don’t want to eat carbohydrates. But, perhaps you're open and willing to someone else’s approach to keto where there are more carbs included. And I think this is something Robb Wolf has been talking about for literally a decade. Where he said; “We can be in ketosis. We can be primarily burning ketones and burning fat for fuel and still refuel after a glycogen depleting workout, like CrossFit, where we burn through a lot of carbohydrates.”

And the goal in getting to a place where we’re burning primarily fat for fuel is that we’re not overloading our body with carbohydrate. It doesn’t mean that somebody who is active can’t eat carbs and still be a fat burner. I think there’s a really just kind of confused mindset around that. That it’s one or the other. And our body can actually be very metabolically flexible and adapt to what we’ve done in terms of our activity. Deplete those glycogen stores. Refill them. And then kind of move on with your life.

I think there’s a lot of information about that. So that’s really where I’d tell her to steer at this point. Look into that. See if you can get yourself to a place where you are eating way more carbohydrate than you think you need and see what happens. I really think that if you're eating 1700 calories a day, you're not hungry but you're gaining weight, you feel terrible. You know how that sounds, right? It really sounds like you're beating a dead horse. Why would you continue to eat in a way that has you feeling so bad? Especially your energy levels.

If you had said, “Well my energy levels feel pretty good, but I don’t feel great in my workouts. But I am losing weight, I just don’t feel good in my workouts.” That might be a little bit different. But literally every sign of health you're telling me about is not in a good place. So I think that would be the best way to approach it. Either checking out that book, the keto diet. And I talked to Leanne sometimes last year, maybe, about her book. So you can hear that interview here on the show.

And then, I would look into breaking away from keto. If it’s not working for you. There’s absolutely no reason to feel like you're a failure if it’s not. So keep that in mind.

Liz Wolfe: I think a good question to ask is always; “So why am I doing this?” And a lot of times, I think, when people write in and they’re doing all of this exercise every single day. I think you hit the nail on the head. Three to four days of CrossFit, three days ideally, is plenty. And interestingly, I talked about having joined a gym last episode. And how one of the first things they talked to me about. And they don’t know what I do; they don’t know that I talk about this stuff all the time. They talked about stress, and when you're coming into the gym under other stressors. Whether that’s from not enough recovery, or from what you're eating, or from your lifestyle, that is going to impact your body’s response to what you're doing.

And this is actually something now that some of these biohacking type of devices, like with the different things you can track with your Apple watches or that ring that people are liking now. You can actually; or maybe it’s tracking heart rate variability. You can actually look at this device, and it will tell you that you need X-amount of recovery time before you do anything else. And I think that’s really interesting, and it might be valuable for some people who just need to see that this has been quantified for them based on their own biological processes and that they need to take a break.

But we can track this now. It’s not just something that we’re saying. It’s not just this bell that we’re ringing because we want people to do less. It’s like; this is actually what works, and it’s actually what your body is asking you for.

And a lot of times, when we have people write in that are doing all of this exercise, 7 days a week. Doing all these different things. Generally, they’re not adopting a keto plan because they want to control their epilepsy. They’re doing it because they want to lose more weight faster. And they’ve seen it work in other people.

So what’s the motivation? If you're doing this because you want to control some really severe condition that we have literature backing up that approach, then maybe we can talk about completely changing the other lifestyle stuff so you can safely implement a keto diet to help you with that condition. But if you're just doing all this stuff to look different, and it’s not working, the answer is most certainly not to keto harder.

Diane Sanfilippo: And one of the things that I think people don’t realize. It’s not just about carbs and the macronutrients. And we talked about this in a recent episode, too, where it could be the micronutrients that you're missing. It could be that you're not getting enough vitamin C, and that’s making you feel totally depleted. And those things come naturally when you're eating carbohydrate foods. So eating fruit, and getting that from your fruit.

I mean, you can get that from vegetables as well, of course, bell peppers and broccoli and things like that. But we don’t know where it’s coming from, but the easiest way is to not biohack but rather, in terms of supplementing, it’s rather just eat the food. Just eat the food that would make you feel good.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah. And you did not mean, you can make keto work by taking a vitamin C supplement. That’s not what Diane just said, guys. {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah.

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4. Favorite summer skincare items [28:12]

Diane Sanfilippo: Alright, quickly, let’s talk about a couple of favorite summer skincare items. Because it is getting warmer, and sunnier. Should I tell you what my favorite is?

Liz Wolfe: You should, because I totally screwed it up by adding this; my Beautycounter makeup remover wipes to the beginning of this podcast. I think I intended to drop them in here. So I believe I’ve already shared mine. So yes, please, go ahead.

Diane Sanfilippo: Well those are great for summer, because if you're out somewhere and you realize; wow, I’m really sweating a lot and I have all this makeup on and I don’t want to, you could take it off. Those are going to be great for your gyming, as well.

Liz Wolfe: I know. Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: My favorite thing is actually Dew Skin Tinted Moisturizer with SPF. I don’t like putting straight up sunscreen on because; I don’t know. It’s sometimes white, the kind that I use. I don’t really love the smell of it. It also doesn’t additionally do anything for the way my skin might look.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah, it just ends up being another layer.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. And also my skin; I don’t know if you guys notice this. But washing sunscreen off your skin at night, your skin feels kind of greasy. And I noticed that if I use the Dew Skin, which has SPF 20, it gives me a little bit of a glowyness, because it’s a tinted moisturizer with SPF. And when I wash it off at night, my skin doesn’t feel oily at all. And I think that’s the zinc in there working as a sunscreen. But it also doesn’t make me breakout. In fact, it sometimes improves my skin. Also because of that zinc.

So I really like that product. It’s something that I didn’t like when I first used it, which happens with me a lot. I’m very like; I don’t know about this. And then I tried it again a couple of months later. And I was like; actually I really love this. I don’t know why I do that. I'm just very resistant to those things. Now it’s pretty much my go-to every day if I’m leaving the house at all for some coverage and SPF. So I love that.

Liz Wolfe: Alright then. That’s it for this week. You can find me, Liz, at and you can find Diane at Join our email lists for free goodies and updates that you don’t find anywhere else on our website or on the podcast. While you’re on the internet, leave us an iTunes review. See you next week.

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