Topics
- News and updates from Diane & Liz [2:05]
- Balanced Bites Master Class
- Balanced Bites Meals and Spices
- Baby Making and Beyond
- The Purely Primal Skincare Guide
- Anyone invited to a party [12:42]
- Making each other dinner [15:09]
- Your 10 years ago self [16:45]
- Advice for Liz's daughter [18:26]
- Chocolate or vanilla [19:27]
- Who wins the iron throne [21:42]
- Three Instagram accounts [22:24]
- 8-year difference of opinion [26:18]
- How to eat the yolks [28:17]
- Lessons from the podcast [29:18]
- Podcast inside jokes [34:47]
- Plays you in a movie [36:46]
- Advice on starting a podcast [38:03]
- Podcast regrets [44:37]
- Favorite memory of each other [45:27]
- Last meal [49:53]
- Vanderpump Rules [50:44]
- Favorite cookbook [52:15]
- Beautycounter products [52:30]
- Favorite binge shows [53:34]
- Dream/goal/hope for next year [55:42]
- First kiss [56:56]
- Meals and spices shipping [59:13]
- Mean Girls character [59:57]
- Reality show [1:00:27]
- Housewives spirit animal [1:01:39]
- Reunion podcast [1:03:43]
- Diane's social justice [1:04:26]
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You’re listening to the Balanced Bites podcast episode 400.
Diane Sanfilippo: Welcome to the Balanced Bites podcast. I’m Diane; a certified nutrition consultant, and the New York Times bestselling author of Practical Paleo and the 21-Day Sugar Detox. My newest book, Keto Quick Start, released on January 1, 2019. I’m also the creator of Balanced Bites meals and spices. I live in San Francisco with my husband and fur kids.
Liz Wolfe: I’m Liz; a nutritional therapy practitioner, and author of the Wall Street Journal bestseller Eat the Yolks; The Purely Primal Skincare Guide; and the online program Baby Making and Beyond. I live on a lake in the mystical land of the Midwest, outside of Kansas City.
We’re the co-creators of the Balanced Bites Master Class, and we’ve been bringing you this award-winning podcast for nearly 8 years. And today marks our final episode. However, we will have all of the episodes saved for you to listen, or relisten, any time you want. Be sure to catch Diane on her new show with Cassy Joy Garcia called Driven.
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1. News and updates from Diane & Liz [2:05]
Liz Wolfe: Ok. So Diane, what’s happening over by the Bay?
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: Did you see that? The Starbucks cup that got left in the Game of Thrones scene?
Diane Sanfilippo: So I don’t watch Game of Thrones, but I saw it on Instagram.
Liz Wolfe: Ok.
Diane Sanfilippo: I think we have a Game of Thrones question in today’s episode.
Liz Wolfe: We do indeed.
Diane Sanfilippo: So what’s new? So the Master Class; this is new for both of us. The Master Class is opening this summer. So if you're like; oh my gosh, how am I going to live without Liz and Diane this summer? You don’t have to. {laughs} Come learn with us in the Master Class. We decided to run it in the summer because after the first couple of times running the class, you guys all told us it would be so much easier to have time to do it in the summer.
So, enrollment will open from June 17th to the 30th. So for two weeks, you can get through enrollment. And then the class begins on July 8th after the holiday weekend, and goes through September 15th. It’s a multimedia course; so it’s video, audio. There’s printed material. There will be a couple of calls with us. And to be the first to know when the doors open, just head over to www.blog.balancedbites.com/masterclass. Get on the list.
Do you want to tell people; before I go into a couple of other updates, a little bit about what folks might get from the Master Class? Why they might want to join us for the Master Class?
Liz Wolfe: I can do that. So whether you're a practitioner or you consider yourself a lay person; and I would argue most of our listeners are definitely leveled up from lay person status. Folks that listen to us are generally really well informed about nutrition and very curious. And I think that those types of folks as well as practitioners would really benefit from the information that we’ve put in the course.
We really go through the foundations of everything I think you would need to know whether you're just trying to be healthy for yourself or you're trying to establish a foundation or a broader base of knowledge for your practice. I think the information within is really valuable no matter who you are.
We give a lot of context, and I think that’s very important. More important for people of the personality type Questioner or, I don’t know; what kind of enneagram needs a lot of information to make a decision?
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: But it’s helpful in that way. And that you get a lot of context as to how; not just why things work the way they work within our bodies, but also how we got so off track in the first place. For me personally, when I know that; and that’s basically what I wrote Eat the Yolks, my book, about. When I know how we got here, and when it makes sense to me. Kind of the missteps that we took to get to the status quo, it’s a lot easier for me to release some of my preconceived notions.
Diane Sanfilippo: Here, here!
Liz Wolfe: Here, here!
Diane Sanfilippo: Totally. So the class actually helps you decipher and cut through the dogma of what’s going on in the nutrition world. And I think even though we created this content over the last several years, everything that you're going to be inundated with when it comes to nutrition; even something like keto becoming more popular right now. What this class will do is help you to create your own lens and your own filter through which to pass the information.
Because folks always come to us and say; what do you think of this? Should I do that? And this gives you the base of rationale of; here’s how we make the decision. It’s based on the history of what we’ve been taught about in nutrition. It’s based on what we know about physiology and how food works in the body. And then it’s based on, as Liz said, our own context, too. Try it and how does it work for you?
But this will help you create your own plan and figure out what to do with this information that’s constantly coming at you when it comes to nutrition. And especially when there’s media; new articles all the time about whether it’s cholesterol or red meat or something like that. And really just give you that foundation.
And this, I would say, especially for those of you who you want a bit of a community around real food nutrition. You want to know that you can talk to people about the questions that you have. What do you guys think of this product? What do you think of this article? Having a community is really helpful for that.
And then absolute you should definitely take this class if you are curious about becoming a nutrition coach or NTP or any of that. If you want to work in the field of nutrition, this class is going to give you a leg up entirely. But you don’t have to want to work in the field of nutrition to take the class.
We’ll probably have some other information coming out through our social channels. We might have a live webinar where you guys can come ask questions. We just want to make sure that if you’ve got questions about it, and you're curious about it, that you come find us, ask your questions, and we’ll make sure you know if it’s the right class for you.
Ok, so a couple of other quick updates. Balanced Bites meals. You guys; thank you so much for your support thus far. We’re plugging away. Really looking forward to having more new meals come into the mix. But right now you guys can customize a box. So I know some folks have seen people who are ordering them, and they’re ordering them for new moms. Or someone is going out of town.
But you guys; you don’t have to order these just for some kind of special occasion. You can order them to keep on hand for yourself. We eat them all the time. There are always days where we just wish we had spent more time prepping and we didn’t. So it’s a really nice way to kind of make sure you're getting real food and it’s on the table within just a few minutes.
And then, if you're not already following Balanced Bites on Instagram, head over there and follow. Make sure that you sign up for the email list; it’s a totally separate email list than my Diane Sanfilippo emails. The Balanced Bites email list is where you're going to continue to get recipes, meal inspiration, ideas of what to do with the spices, whether you're buying them from us. Whether you're making them from the books, etc.
We’re doing giveaways every single week on the BB Instagram account. Which is really fun. We’re partnering with lots of food brands. Lots of your favorites. So that’s been a really fun, new endeavor for us. And we’re also making sure that we highlight a different spice every week. Because I know a lot of you have the blends at home, and you're wondering what else can I do with it. So we’re highlighting one each week so you get more ideas, more inspiration. So just make sure you're following along over there.
Ok my friend. What’s going on over by the lake?
Liz Wolfe: I just can’t get over that this is the last one. It just feels so routine and normal. I’m still…
Diane Sanfilippo: I know. Except that we’re…
Liz Wolfe: Processing.
Diane Sanfilippo: On video.
Liz Wolfe: Except that we showered. Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: I’m not in my closet. Ok, so really I just wanted to give an update or like a reminder of my future and ongoing projects. Obviously, the Balanced Bites Master Class, which we just talked about. Baby Making and Beyond; you can still find me there and that’s going to continue to be built out. That’s a forever project. That is my baby, and I intend to nurture it indefinitely going forward.
Beautycounter is always going to be on my list of things that are important to me that I'm continuing to do. And of course, safer skincare education in general, not brand specific, will be refreshing my Purely Primal Skincare Guide and a new; I think we’re going to go ahead and do an online form versus a book. Because just in the making of Baby Making and Beyond, realizing how important it is to me to be able to go in and update something as much as possible and as much as necessary. I think we’re going to go ahead and keep that online. I know there was talk of a book at certain points in the timeline, and I don’t think that’s the way I want to take it.
So those of you who own the original Purely Primal Skincare Guide will get access to that as soon as that’s done. Obviously, as with everything I do, it’s taken a little bit longer, so I’m learning not to make promises as to when things will happen. But it will happen. And you can keep up with all of that by ideally joining my email list, which you can do at www.RealFoodLiz.com. Because you won’t always see what I post on Instagram.
I know a lot of folks are like; well, I follow you on Instagram. And you're probably not seeing even half of what I’m putting up there. And I don’t post all that often. So you're really not seeing a lot of me coming through Instagram. So I would say join my email list, and then double up by following me at Real Food Liz on social media.
Diane Sanfilippo: I like getting your emails every week.
Liz Wolfe: Thanks. We work hard on those.
Diane Sanfilippo: Or every two weeks? I don’t know how often.
Liz Wolfe: It’s every two weeks, but time goes so fast it just kind of feels like it. That’s kind of my marker of time. I’m like; oh, ok, we’re halfway through the month. So yeah.
Liz Wolfe: OK, so as you all know, we are recording live with a bunch of our really awesome listeners for our final episode. And we thought it would be fun today to do some rapid-fire ask us anything style questions. This is really kind of our favorite thing to do. I’ve always looked forward to it at all of our; 100, 200, 300, now 400th episode. So we’re going to go back and forth, and we will answer as many questions as possible. And at the end, we’ll open it up for some live questions.
Diane, do you have any instructions for people that want to ask live questions before we go to our sponsors?
Diane Sanfilippo: I feel like they can do a hand raise, or they can pop a question into the Q&A box. Whichever one you can access and use more easily, we will see it. But I think if you raise your hand, it’s going to ask me to unmute you. Which maybe we could do. So maybe pop it into the Q&A, or the chat, either way. And then I’m not sure about the hand raising situation; because people might not want to actually be on camera or on audio. But if you do, feel free to let us know and maybe we’ll just bring you on.
Liz Wolfe: You never know. You know; Sheena Shay’s boyfriend is only on Vanderpump Rules so he can get on camera. You never know. There might be people.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: Who just want to get their voice on the podcast. Just kidding.
Diane Sanfilippo: Amazing.
Liz Wolfe: Alright, let’s hear a quick word from one of our sponsors.
Liz Wolfe: The Balanced Bites podcast is sponsored in part by the Nutritional Therapy Association. The NTA trains and certifies nutritional therapy practitioners and consultants (including me; I’m an NTP), emphasizing bio-individuality and the range of dietary strategies that support wellness. The NTA emphasizes local, whole, properly prepared nutrient dense foods as the key to restoring balance and enhancing the body’s ability to heal.
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2. Anyone invited to a party [12:42]
Liz Wolfe: Alright. Let’s do this! We’ll go back and forth. We’ll go back and forth with questions. We’ll try and get as many in as we possibly can. And I will start.
“Diane, if you had a party and could invite one celebrity or influencer,” those are finger quotes. “Who would it be?”
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok, this is a tough one because the person I will always say that I want to invite anywhere.
Liz Wolfe: Yep.
Diane Sanfilippo: Do you know who I’m going to invite?
Liz Wolfe: Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: Who?
Liz Wolfe: Oprah.
Diane Sanfilippo: But then I’m like; what would happen if she’s there? All of it would be a letdown.
Liz Wolfe: {laughing}
Diane Sanfilippo: Because it would not be majestic and covered in jewels. Which I feel like things should be if she’s there. Which is so weird to say. But I’m absolutely the biggest Oprah fangirl, so it would definitely be Oprah. What about you?
Liz Wolfe: Stassi Schroeder.
Diane Sanfilippo: Come on. {laughing}
Liz Wolfe: No seriously! Well, if it was an influencer like an Instagrammer. Like a fun…
Diane Sanfilippo: No.
Liz Wolfe: Fun person, or whatever. That’s who; I mean, I could say, I don’t know.
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok I have a second one that’s more fun.
Liz Wolfe: Ok, ok. Do a fun one first.
Diane Sanfilippo: Well it’s not as fun as Stassi, but Tina Fey.
Liz Wolfe: Oh, of course!
Diane Sanfilippo: She’s my spirit animal.
Liz Wolfe: She’s kind of a level up, right?
Diane Sanfilippo: Right.
Liz Wolfe: We have Stassi Schroeder’s, who are freaking amazing and pop culture-y. And then people who have kind of transcended pop culture, and are just timeless, hilarious like Liz Lemon!
Diane Sanfilippo: My more pop culture-y person might actually be; I really appreciated that merging of my two favorites.
Liz Wolfe: Right? Thank you.
Diane Sanfilippo: That was really good. {laughs} I’m pretty into Andy Cohen right now. Like; I’m listening to his audio book. It’s kind of silly, but it’s also pretty amazing. So anyway.
Liz Wolfe: That would be a good one.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. He’s my Bravo-lebrity. Let’s go. Ok. But what’s your more serious one?
Liz Wolfe: Ok, if it was a really serious one, and Cassy Joy actually reminded me of this with one of her Instagram posts a couple of weeks ago. But Isaac Asimov. He’s a dead science fiction writer. Incredibly prolific writer, secular, humanist, like, I would love, love to just down with that guy and I don’t know, just soak up his presence. But he’s way dead, so.
3. Making each other dinner [15:09]
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing} Alright. So, if you had to make dinner for me; I feel like we’ve had this one in the past. On one of our ask us anything.
Liz Wolfe: I think so.
Diane Sanfilippo: If you had to make dinner for me, or we had to make dinner for each other. And Colleen didn’t exist, and BB meals didn’t exist. What would you make, and why?
Liz Wolfe: {laughs} I would make a casserole, because you can’t eff up a casserole. I would make you Juli Bauer’s 5-ingredient spaghetti pie casserole.
Diane Sanfilippo: I like how it has nothing to do with what I might want to eat.
Liz Wolfe: No.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: Because even if you were like; hey, I want to eat this thing. If you were like; I would like to eat salmon. I’d be like; I could never meet your standards for salmon. So I’m just going to make you something I know won’t be terrible.
Diane Sanfilippo: See; that’s just not true. When someone else cooks for me; I’m like, just cooking the food and me not doing work is the standard.
Liz Wolfe: Fair enough.
Diane Sanfilippo: OK. What would I make for you? I would ask you want you wanted {laughs} because I don’t… I would make whatever. It doesn’t matter.
Liz Wolfe: {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: I mean, I might make you salmon, but I feel like you make that all the time.
Liz Wolfe: That’s one I feel ok about making. Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: What would you want?
Liz Wolfe: You could make me that thing you made me when you were at my house and my daughter was ill. You made this amazing skillet with perfectly cooked eggs on it.
Diane Sanfilippo: I would literally never ever make that in my own house.
Liz Wolfe: It was so good.
Diane Sanfilippo: Some kind of hash thing. I don’t like hashes, though.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah. Hash, that’s what it was.
Diane Sanfilippo: Because it’s just a bowl of the same thing over and over again, which I don’t like to eat in general. {laughs} I like different textures.
Liz Wolfe: Well, excuse me.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing} Michelle Tam told me I had champagne taste one day. I was like; thanks Michelle.
4. Your 10 years ago self [16:45]
Liz Wolfe: I’d have to agree with that. Ok. What is one thing you wish you could tell yourself from 10 years ago? 10 years ago self.
Diane Sanfilippo: My 10 years ago self; oof. Ugh, I’m supposed to be prepared for these. I think when I look back at where I was 10 years ago, I think I both thought I would be somewhere “further”. I don’t know what that even means. And also can’t believe how far I’ve come, if that makes sense. So I think I would probably say that everything you're doing now is worthwhile, and just keep doing it. So that’s kind of what I tell myself now, also, when I have this existential crisis of; what am I doing? What is all of this? I’m like; It’s all part of the process. I don’t know what it will be, but the last 10 years was pretty amazing, so we’ll see what the next 10 years brings.
What would you?
Liz Wolfe: I would say 10 years goes fast. And almost along the same lines of what you said; which is, sometimes you think, gosh. I can’t see far enough into the future to see if this is going to pan out or turn into anything. Or, oh gosh. If I start this it’s going to take me forever to make something out of it. 10 years goes really fast. So, you can easily devote 10 years to something and make something great if you just remember how quickly that’s going to go. It’s not that far in the future.
Diane Sanfilippo: This has been almost 8 years of us podcasting.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah. Crazy.
Diane Sanfilippo: That is insane.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah.
5. Advice for Liz’s daughter [18:26]
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok, so kind of along these lines. Reflection, and all of that. Liz, if you could give one piece of advice to your kid, what would you say?
Liz Wolfe: Alright, so this is three pieces of advice.
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok.
Liz Wolfe: But I’m going to say it anyway. It’s ok to cry, to stand up for yourself, and to trust yourself completely.
Diane Sanfilippo: Is that advice to your kid, or to young Liz?
Liz Wolfe: {laughs} You know when I was thinking my answer to this question, I was like; ok. I didn’t want to say something depressing, like don’t turn out like your mom. {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: So I was kind of thinking of the things that I wish I was better at, and that I’m not 100% sure how to teach her. Because it’s so ingrained; I don’t cry. I don’t always; not even stand up for myself, but stand up for what’s right. Or take a stand in situations where it would disrupt the flow. And I also generally don’t trust myself. So if I could articulate something that I’m not entirely sure I am embodying in real life, those would be the things.
Diane Sanfilippo: Interesting.
19.27
Liz Wolfe: Ok. More important question, for you Diane. Chocolate or vanilla?
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} Chocolate.
Liz Wolfe: Always chocolate.
Diane Sanfilippo: Always.
Liz Wolfe: Yep.
6. Chocolate or vanilla [19:27]
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok. So, what is one thing; I was going to read the next question then I realized that was not the right order of things. But I can’t answer the next one.
Liz Wolfe: Do you want to flip-flop these? I can ask you and you can ask me.
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok fine.
Liz Wolfe: Ok. Diane, what is one thing you're looking forward to in the next 24 to 48 hours?
Diane Sanfilippo: Well, in three hours, and then in five hours, I’m going to be joining Cassy Joy for her book signing here in San Francisco in about 3 hours. And then a couple of hours after that, we’ll be eating some delicious food together and I’m probably going to have one of my favorite things, which is raw fish. So I’m really looking forward to that. What about you?
Liz Wolfe: How does raw fish become something that people look forward to eating?
Diane Sanfilippo: Listen.
Liz Wolfe: I just don’t have the … it must be my ayurvedic type or something.
Diane Sanfilippo: I’m really into raw fish and beef tartar or beef carpaccio. I really like; or like raw oysters.
Liz Wolfe: Oysters, yeah. I do like oysters, but that’s because you don’t; you just swallow them. But I like broiled oysters too.
Diane Sanfilippo: No. Only raw.
Liz Wolfe: Oh my gosh.
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok. So, what are you looking forward to?
Liz Wolfe: Tennis. I’m playing tennis at some point, I think tomorrow, as long as it’s not raining. That’s just really a nice release for me.
Diane Sanfilippo: You're so sporty these days.
Liz Wolfe: I know!
Diane Sanfilippo: It’s like sporty Liz.
Liz Wolfe: It’s so nice. You know what’s so sad is I play 10-cap tennis. What’s been fun about it…
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing} I don’t actually know what that means.
Liz Wolfe: I know. I don’t even know if it’s a thing. I think it must be maybe just a local thing. But it’s like a tennis league, basically. And I love going to the gym, that’s important for my mental health. It’s important for my physical health. But tennis is like a chance to get better at something in a team type environment where you're working with somebody, you're having adult time, but you're also working towards a goal with team members. And that’s; you don’t really get that elsewhere. So that’s been really great.
7. Who wins the iron throne [21:42]
Diane Sanfilippo: Here we go. Who will wine the iron throne? I don’t even know what that means. I actually don’t even know what I’m saying.
Liz Wolfe: You don’t need to know.
Diane Sanfilippo: How do you predict Game of Thrones will end?
Liz Wolfe: Everyone dies. Or, considering how crappy the writing has been since the red wedding, everyone lives and they just co-rule, and Arya teaches fencing lessons, and everybody is happy. And the dragons come back to life. Oh, shoot. Sorry. That was a spoiler.
Diane Sanfilippo: You are speaking Greek to me. Bring on the spoilers, because I’m sure I’ll never watch it.
Liz Wolfe: It’s fine. By the time this airs, everybody’s going to know anything that I said already that has any interest in the show at all. So.
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok.
Liz Wolfe: Ok.
8. Three Instagram accounts [22:24]
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok. So if you could only follow three Instagram accounts, who would they be and why? And then she says; I only discovered your podcast about a year ago. I’m so grateful I did. I love listening to your insight and look forward to future endeavors.
Liz Wolfe: Ok, so other than my friends, these are people that other people could go follow. I’m like; my friend Liz, my friend Lauren. Ok, so Dr. Keri Jones, who is awesome with hormonal stuff. I believe she’s the DUTCH test gal. The Holistic psychologist, who I know you follow, as well, Diane. And I think she follows you and potentially the podcast. And then I’m on this home design kick, so I would follow Amber Interiors. I really like their; I don’t know. Their interior design stuff. I don’t follow celebrities on Instagram, though, Diane. Because for some reason, I want them to only exist in the shows and the ways I consume them. I don’t want to see their everyday lives. I don’t know why.
Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t really follow a lot of celebrities either.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t really even know who I follow. So, a few that I really love. I love following Mel Robbins; so Mel Robbins live I think is her account name. And she just does a great job. She’s actually going to have a TV show soon; like a talk show. She does a great job of dishing real advice and it’s sound and based in research. So what I love about it is she kind of affirms a lot of the things that I believe or I have observed but with just better backup and science. Kind of how Brene Brown is, except Brene Brown is a totally different realm to me. Mel Robbins just brings it down to earth. I don’t know. I just love following her.
I would say Brene Brown, if she was more prolific on Instagram. Because I’m just a huge Brene Brown fan. So that’s one, Mel Robbins Live. Rachel Cargle, for anyone who wants to get a little bit more involved with things like social justice. It’s kind of like a tie between Rachel Cargle and Shaun King. I mean, I really do feel like I have been awakened to a lot of what’s really going on in the world through accounts like that.
And, hmm.
Liz Wolfe: What’s the one you told me about; teach and transform? That’s another really good one along those lines.
Diane Sanfilippo: Teach and Transform, yeah. She’s amazing. She’s a teacher who posts a lot about teaching children about social bias and racism and just in ways that are really approachable and meaningful to children. And I think that transcends to adults as well. She’s excellent.
You guys. I guess I would also just have to say Andy Cohen, just because I’m going to be; I’m on that kick right now and I really enjoy; I just really enjoy the levity that comes from Bravo. That’s my balance of I’m so serious so much of the time, and I don’t really take myself seriously. I’m a very goofy, silly person. But I do things that are just like work and important to me all the time that my breaks with Bravo are just so cherished to me. So maybe I would just say that. I mean, that is like a snapshot of me. No nonsense advice, social justice, and Bravo. {laughing} The trifecta.
Liz Wolfe: That’s a well-rounded person. I think it’s good though. I think everybody needs some kind of escape. So long as it’s not the only escape, I think it’s good.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah.
9. 8-year difference of opinion [26:18]
Liz Wolfe: Alright. Diane, what is one thing you believed or taught 8 years ago that you have a different opinion about today? This is a great one.
Diane Sanfilippo: So, going all the way back to the beginning? Man. I think we thought that food was the most important thing for a long time. I do think that from the beginning, we identified stress as one of the most important factors to everything. Because that was also something that was very important and taught to me very seriously in my nutrition studies. One of my nutrition teachers, almost a decade ago, I guess. Was insistent that stress will undo everything you do nutritionally. Or can undo everything you do nutritionally. And I’m sure I said that that long ago, because I could see it. I witnessed it. I’m still witnessing it in people.
So, I think that food is important. But I kind of wish that we had talked about more different topics from the very beginning because I think we see them all as so valuable to the whole person. And I think that; I don’t know that there’s something I would say so differently {laughs} because that’s what I believed at the time. But I have a different opinion, I think, just about how critical it may or may not be to avoid certain foods. Because I think there are some people who are probably reacting really badly to gluten right now. But when everything else in their life changes, they might find that the gluten is not the problem. Does that make sense. Somebody who is celiac, of course that’s different. But I think everything else is really important.
Liz Wolfe: I have to agree.
10. How to eat the yolks [28:17]
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok, so one more practical. If someone can’t stand egg yolks, how do you recommend they eat them? Thank you both so much. And I will remind our listeners who maybe don’t remember, even though it’s in the intro, that Liz wrote a book called Eat the Yolks. So it’s fitting that we ask you; how can they eat them if they don’t enjoy them?
Liz Wolfe: Yeah. What’s funny is I wrote a book called Eat the Yolks, but it has nothing to do with how to prepare egg yolks {laughs}.
Diane Sanfilippo: No.
Liz Wolfe: So the thoughts I had were you can dump them in a smoothie, you can put them in your bullet proof coffee. I know people were doing that. I don’t know why people were doing that. Was it to emulsify the MCT oil or something? Make deviled eggs, which I love. Or you could whip them up as like a mousse or some kind of savory spread. Or my personal favorite would be to just make some crème brulee. {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: Mm. I love crème brulee.
Liz Wolfe: Or custard. That’s probably easier than crème brulee. I think we have actually a recipe for egg custard in Baby Making and Beyond.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yum.
10. Lessons from the podcast [29:19]
Liz Wolfe: Ok. Has the whole podcasting experience taught you anything that you didn’t expect to learn? And a note attached to this question was; I’ve been listening for a few years but listened back through the rest of the episodes, and your knowledge mixed in with pop culture references, of course, has had a huge impact in breaking my struggle with chronic dieting. Thanks for all you do, and best of luck in future endeavors.
Diane Sanfilippo: I think that this process has actually taught me more about; this is going to sound corny. But I think it’s taught me more about maintaining a healthy relationship. Because Liz and I have done this for 8 years, and we didn’t really know each other that well when we started. And to just decide you're going to work together basically every single week for who knows how long. And come together, and answer questions. There is so much demand to be doing this every single week for an hour.
Think about; of course there are weeks that go by where I was writing a book, or Liz was writing a book. Or I was writing a book like four more times. {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: {laughing}
Diane Sanfilippo: Really leaning on Liz to help pull the weight at those times. But think about what you may have done in the last 8 years that you did every single week that you showed up for. And aside from being with your spouse, or your kids, or your job. There are probably times where you weren’t at the gym. We just have done this so consistently that I think that’s one of the weirdest things for me. It’s not about the show, because I’ll still do another podcast. The weirdest thing is going to be what our relationship will be like, because we have been so committed to showing up. Not just for you guys as the listeners, but for each other. We respect each other in what we’re doing that when there’s a day we couldn’t make it or whatever was happening.
So in terms of what this has taught me, it’s really taught me to have patients and make sure that I’m treating people the way that I intend to when I care about them and respect them and want to give them the benefit of the doubt. Like any time one of us couldn’t make a recording and we needed to reschedule. It’s like; you don’t get angry because you trust the other person. And you're like; ok, you can’t do it. We’ll find another time.
I just think that whole think; it’s such a pressure cooker of demand on everyone. So I think that’s the thing I’ve learned the most. It’s just having gone through the process of this more so than any of the lessons from the actual content, if that makes sense.
Liz Wolfe: Mm-hmm.
Diane Sanfilippo: Maybe not what they were expecting.
Liz Wolfe: No, I like that. The only thing I would add is trusting. Something I’ve learned is trusting that being consistent and just showing up over the long term has a massive impact that you cannot predict at the get-go. Whether you're talking about the growth of your business, or your own personal evolution. Just showing up.
And I think; and this might just be me. But actually being willing to show up for something with no expectations except what you expect of yourself and what you're willing to give to it week to week. And just kind of seeing. Observing and seeing what it turns into is kind of a really cool process.
I think sometimes when we saddle ourselves with so many expectations, there’s a balance. Goal setting is good, and expectations are good. But depending on your personality type, really saddling yourself with expectations can lead to a lot of discouragement and disappointment. So just being willing to show up and be there and allow it to grow as it should.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. And the last thing I want to say about that is; we’ve looked at data and downloads and statistics from this show. But we have never hinged what we’re doing all on the data. Because it’s interesting, but it’s not what’s going to drive what we want to do. And how we want to deliver and show up for you guys.
I’ve noticed other podcasts are like; oh, 1 million downloads. Whatever. I’m like; I literally don’t know how many we have. We’ve moved our hosting. In the beginning we had to move it at one point. And I’m like; I’m sure we have over 10 million downloads in the last 8 years. That’s my guess. But it’s never been something that we’re talking about, a prolific number or anything like that. Because it’s never really been about that.
And I think to your point, it was more about just showing up and being consistent. Both showing up for each other, and just showing up for our listeners. Because we know what it’s like; especially, I think you're listening to more things now. But over the last decade, I’ve listened to a lot of podcasts. And I know what it feels like to be the listener, and I love that connection that I feel like I have with the people who are doing the show. So that’s always been our focus, is just more what kinds of questions do you guys have, and what do you want to hear without worrying so much about what are the downloads and will people want to advertise. You know what I mean? We’ve never been driven by that.
Liz Wolfe: And to that end, we’ve had some really awesome sponsors who value that as much as we do. So that’s been cool.
Diane Sanfilippo: Mm-hmm.
11. Podcast inside jokes [34:47]
Liz Wolfe: Ok. This one is for you.
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok, so me. Ok. What is your favorite inside joke from the podcast?
Liz Wolfe: I mean, no contest, charcuterie facial is probably the one that {laughs} was the funniest. And that whole time in Arizona; that was just fun and funny. And that was good. But I also like the many times we’ll kind of throw in a quote that we’ve thrown back and forth off line. Like, classic! {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} These are moments that are actually based on us being together in real life when we were traveling to teach seminars together. It’s like; man, I wish Instagram stories existed back then.
Liz Wolfe: Oh man. That would have been really fun.
Diane Sanfilippo: Because those were some funny times.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah. Ok what’s your; do you have a favorite? Other than charcuterie facial.
Diane Sanfilippo: You know, I just remember one of the first times Scott did one of the little replay clips at the end. It was you saying, “I just got a lot of balls in the air.” {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: {laughing}
Diane Sanfilippo: I just think of that.
Liz Wolfe: Oh man.
Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t know. Yeah.
{clip} Liz Wolfe: I’ve just got a lot of balls in the air.
{clip} Liz Wolfe: So what Diane and I are kind of advocating now is what we call a charcuterie facial. Basically; what we want you to do is pretty much just put either pepperoni or coppa over the eyes. Some prosciutto up along the cheekbones. Really trace those cheekbones up towards the temple. You can do something like, I don’t know, Diane. What would you say for the lower cheek-chin area?
Diane Sanfilippo: Standard salami.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah, definitely. I like that. {laughing} I can’t. I can’t do it. Oh my gosh.
12. Plays you in a movie [36:46]
Liz Wolfe: Alright. Who would play you in a movie?
Diane Sanfilippo: Who would play me? I think I’ve always thought that Drew Barrymore would play me in a movie.
Liz Wolfe: Huh.
Diane Sanfilippo: Your thoughts?
Liz Wolfe: Ok. My thoughts about that answer?
Diane Sanfilippo: Uh-huh.
Liz Wolfe: Drew Barrymore. That’s interesting. I didn’t think about this for you. If I come up with something while we’re recording, I’ll spontaneously vomit it out.
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok. Who would play you?
Liz Wolfe: Ok.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: {Laughs} I would love it; I just thought of this one. If Marisa Tomei played me. I know that I have no Italian.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} It’s a stretch.
Liz Wolfe: In my body, but I just love her so much. So, so much.
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok, was there another one?
Liz Wolfe: Or Joe Pesci.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} Wow. That’s the obvious choice.
Liz Wolfe: I just like My Cousin Vinny. Anybody from that movie would be fine. {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t know if I knew you liked that movie so much. It’s definitely way up there for me.
Liz Wolfe: I love that movie. She’s my internal narrator.
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok.
Liz Wolfe: Originally I had put Gal Gadot. I actually don’t even know who that is. But I know she’s a really badass brunette, so I was like; her. Ok. {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: OK.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah.
13. Advice on starting a podcast [38:03]
Diane Sanfilippo: Alright. Well, then, Liz. What is your advice for someone on starting a podcast and choosing the right partner to do that with? And then we kind of touched on this a moment ago. But what made you both stick together doing this for so long? And how can someone keep up with you after the podcast, and you touched on that in the beginning. So advice for starting a podcast and choosing the right partner to do that with.
Liz Wolfe: You know; I think that’s more a question for Diane. I will say I’ve had a couple of podcasts; one I did for myself. Real Food Liz Radio. There are like 4 episodes. I don’t even know if you can find them anymore. You can probably find them on my website.
Diane Sanfilippo: #ObligerProblems.
Liz Wolfe: Exactly. I also did the Modern Farm Girls Podcast with Diana Rodgers, who is awesome. And her work, Sustainable Dish; she’s doing really, really important work. But at the time, I think I was too over extended. And the most important, the core podcast, has always been Balanced Bites for me. And rightfully so.
But the reason I think this is a better question for Diane is because I am an Obliger. I’m the best possible podcast partner you could pick, if you pick an Obliger. As far as starting a partner, you just pick somebody that’s going to hold you accountable. It just depends on the personality type. So maybe you should answer this, Diane.
Diane Sanfilippo: Well, I didn’t know that you were an Obliger when we started this. So I couldn’t have predicted that. I think if someone is a Rebel or an Upholder, I think picking an Obliger or an Upholder is always good. Just because, I don’t know, I feel like that seems easy. But, that being said, Cassy Joy and I are both Rebels. So interestingly, we will figure that out. But Rebels will do whatever they want to do. So we will do it if we want to.
But I think when Liz and I decided to do the show together, and then choosing to do a show with Cassy Joy. It’s just a matter of who do I enjoy talking to, or who do I think, before I knew Liz, I heard her on one other show. I’ve said this before; I literally liked the sound of her voice, the tone of it, how it sounded. And I liked her voice, meaning her opinion, her take, her context. I just liked the way she looked at things when it came to nutrition and health. And I think you need to like and respect what somebody has to say.
Now, when we first started the show, Liz was; the intent was that she was a little more of the side kick. You were going to read the questions, and it was more like I was answering the questions.
Liz Wolfe: And that was my preference. That’s what I wanted. It was less pressure for me. But you were always like; it’s your show too! It’s your show too.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. Because my natural tendency is to steam roll everyone and everything.
Liz Wolfe: {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: But the balance of that really came full circle. So I think letting things evolve the way that feels right is great. I don’t know what you can predict from the get-go, but you just have to choose somebody that you like and be flexible and just figure things out together.
And yeah. I mean, what made us stick together doing it for so long? I think part of it is just we’ve had a lot to say. And I think that’s one of the reasons why we’re ending the show. We feel like we have said as much as we really want and need to say on the topics of nutrition. That doesn’t mean there’s not more to talk about, or other people aren’t going to keep doing nutrition shows. But for the life span of how long we want to be steeped in this community of talking about nutrition and making recommendations, nearly a decade feels like a good amount of time.
So I think, that being said, moving on to starting a new show and choosing the right partner to do that with, I have a lot of that I want to say about entrepreneurship. About business. About side hustles. About health, and balancing that. Knowing yourself, and personal development. And all of those topics.
To Liz’s point about having had other shows, I recorded 54 episodes of Build a Badass Business, by myself. With some guests here and there. So that is another entrepreneurial based podcast. So if you guys are like; we’re waiting for Driven! Go listen to Build a Badass Business podcast. You’ll get lots of advice and tips from me until that launch is.
But I think choosing the right partner; again, it’s just who do I want to talk about this stuff with? You know. Who seems like they would be, not only a good match in that you probably agree, let’s say, 70-80% of the time. But you have that 20-30% where you either see things differently, you approach things differently, you don’t want to only yes each other to death. We’ve had different takes on things. We have a different background. We have some different interests.
So a lot of what Cassy and I talk about is; we’re doing a lot of background work for the show now. And it’s like; ok, I think you're stronger with this stuff. I have something to say about it, but this is really your strength, not mine. So we’re able to kind of find the balance there. And I think that is really important.
And then just the really practical side of things; I think if you're going to choose to do a show that has seasons, that’s fine. I personally think that unless you're like a serial or an NPR type of show, I think consistently showing up every single week; I don’t like the idea of an every other week show. I really think that a podcast should be every week. But, you know, that’s just based on my experience and what we’ve done.
I would rather my favorite podcast have an episode every week and one just be a little shorter, or just be a little different, than not being consistent and not having it show up there. And I think that for somebody who is using a podcast as a tool, as part of your business, there’s just nothing better to connect with your audience than the level of intimacy you get, I think, with a podcast.
Even, honestly, sometimes a lot better than video. Because we’re with you so many places. Right? I feel that way about the podcasts I listen to. So anyway. Those are kind of the thoughts I have.
Logistically, I don’t think most of it matters. The equipment you use, the hosting, and all of that stuff. You pick something; if it works, it works. If it doesn’t, you change it. You can get lots of advice about that on the internet.
14. Podcast regrets [44:37]
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok. So.
Liz Wolfe: Me next.
Diane Sanfilippo: You're next.
Liz Wolfe: Yep. Is there anything that you’ve said on the podcast that you wish you wouldn’t have said? That we didn’t ask somebody to edit out. {laughing}
Diane Sanfilippo: Uh. I’m sure.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: I’m sure I have probably been either too insistent about something being important, or too flippant about something not being important. But I can’t think back to anything where I’m like; oh, gosh. Get that off. Because we probably would have just pulled the episode if it was that bad.
Liz Wolfe: Mm-hmm. I can’t remember anything.
Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t know.
Liz Wolfe: I’m sure there’s something. But..
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah.
15. Favorite memory of each other [45:27]
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok. Oh, well this is nice.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: What’s your favorite memory of each other? Either on the podcast are elsewhere.
Liz Wolfe: So, I loved our trip for the Poliquin Biosignature Certification.
Diane Sanfilippo: That was the charcuterie facial trip.
Liz Wolfe: Yes. Not because it was the best education ever, but because it was just so funny to experience salty old Charles Poliquin with his super long arms and his super judge-y {laughs} I mean, bless his heart, I know.
Diane Sanfilippo: May he rest in peace.
Liz Wolfe: May he rest, absolutely. But it was just comical in all the right ways. The education really; it was that moment where I think you and I were like; this is not the direction we’re going.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah.
Liz Wolfe: So it was good. It was fun personally. It was fun professionally. And then for some reason, another thing that stands out to me. I don’t know where we were, but I remember what the hotel room looked like.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: I think we were in Chicago, probably.
Diane Sanfilippo: This was a book signing, I think.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah. It was when I think Caitlyn was there. But anyway; I was pregnant and it was the first time that I could really lay down, and you could see that I was pregnant, and you could see the baby moving. And I don’t know; I just remember being like, look! And you were like, weird. {laughing}
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: It was just kind of fun.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. I remember that. We have a wacky selfie from that trip. I’ll have to dig it up.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: We went to some road side place and ate hot dogs or something? Do you remember? We were on a hunt for some kind of food.
Liz Wolfe: I don’t remember.
Diane Sanfilippo: I often remember the food. My favorite memory; it will always be my favorite memory. We were driving home from Rochester.
Liz Wolfe: Oh. Oh my gosh, this is so much better!
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing}
Liz Wolfe: This is so much better. I should have picked this one.
Diane Sanfilippo: This is why I wish we had Instagram stories. Because Liz was; I mean, the doomsdayer in Liz was fully lit up, because it was real. Your car broke down every hour or something.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: Check engine light, and then another light. I remember two separate times…
Liz Wolfe: We just got rid of that car within the last year. {laughs} We kept it forever.
Diane Sanfilippo: This is where we differ. I would have left that car on that trip.
Liz Wolfe: Yep.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yep. I remember; first of all, I remember us pulling over multiple times and it’s really sketchy situations.
Liz Wolfe: Once was like 2 a.m. Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. Sketchy situations. But the one that was the funniest was when we pulled over; I don’t know what we were doing. We were just stopped somewhere. I don’t know if we were getting gas. You were just worried about something. You were pouring some kind of fluid in.
Liz Wolfe: Yes. Oil.
Diane Sanfilippo: And some guys gave us a loaf of bread.
Liz Wolfe: Yes.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} We were like, this is weird. We had just come from teaching a paleo seminar, so we were like; we’re definitely not going to eat this bread. And I was like; we should just throw it away. I feel like it’s bad. Let’s just not have the bread in the car. And you were like; no, I think we should.
I mean, this was a lot funnier when it happened.
Liz Wolfe: It was, yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: We should keep the bread because throwing it away seems bad. I think it was a gift; I don’t know if he was from a religion or something and he was making this offering of bread and you felt like we shouldn’t get rid of it. The whole thing I’m just picturing these two ladies trying to figure out what’s going on with the car, and somebody gives us a loaf of bread!
Liz Wolfe: {laughs} He’s like, I know how to help you. Here’s this loaf of bread. I’m like; my car is broken down!
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} It was so weird.
Liz Wolfe: We need oil, I need somebody to check this dipstick for me. {laughs} I don’t need your bread, but thank you sir.
Diane Sanfilippo: I think he was just really strange. Yeah. So anyway. And I think we had at least two more stops after that and ended up sleeping in a hotel. Mind you, the ride from Rochester back to New Jersey was only like a 4-5 hour drive. But we couldn’t make because we were just like; this car is going to blow up. I don’t know what’s happening.
Liz Wolfe: {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: I think; did Scott come meet us? Or my parents? I think my parents came and picked us up.
Liz Wolfe: Either Scott did or your parents did, because I don’t think my husband was able to.
Diane Sanfilippo: I think my parents came and picked us up. Yeah. From New Jersey. Anyway. So I will never forget that. And let that be a lesson that when things go wrong is actually when you make the best memories. I really don’t remember any of the smooth events.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: I only remember when things go horribly wrong. So try to keep that in your head in the moment when things go wrong.
Liz Wolfe: That was funny.
Diane Sanfilippo: Anyway.
16. Last meal [49:53]
Liz Wolfe: Ok.
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok.
Liz Wolfe: If you had to choose one last meal or food item to eat before you die, what would it be? Also what’s your favorite fruit? {laughing}
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: I’m guessing it’s the same person.
Diane Sanfilippo: I would eat a big fatty ribeye.
Liz Wolfe: Mm. Mm-hmm.
Diane Sanfilippo: That’s definitely; fatty ribeye. My favorite fruit; maybe cherries.
Liz Wolfe: Oh, yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t know. Stone fruit in general. What about you?
Liz Wolfe: If I had to choose one last meal it would be the lunch burger from Rye in Kansas City. My husband just had one today. They put together these two patties, and they’re really thin burger patties. Like, Winstead’s burger patties. I think Winstead’s is just a Kansas City thing.
Diane Sanfilippo: Mm-hmm. It is.
Liz Wolfe: But it’s so, so good. They just know how to do a burger.
17. Vanderpump Rules [50:44]
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok. A couple more rapid fires, and then let’s see if you guys who are listening live have some questions. I see there’s one that came in through the Q&A box. So if you all who are listening live have questions, type them into the Q&A box, because we’ll go through the rapid fires. But if I see more over there, then I’ll make sure we stop.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok. {laughs} Liz, talk about Vanderpump Rules. Do you think Jax has really changed? And who is your favorite?
Liz Wolfe: I absolutely love, obsessed level love Stassi and Bo. Her boyfriend Bo. Amazing. And I think Jax has changed for the moment.
Diane Sanfilippo: For now.
Liz Wolfe: I think the person that could help him maintain that, of anyone in the world, would be sweet Kentucky Brittany, but it just remains to be seen.
Diane Sanfilippo: Mm-hmm. I enjoy the level of accountability that the group is placing on him. Like; if you step out of line one more time, Jax Taylor, we are coming for you.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: I’ve got to say; I’m enjoying the train wreck that is Sheena.
Liz Wolfe: Oh my gosh. Do you love me? Do you love me!? No, Sheena. I don’t love you.
Diane Sanfilippo: See, I can’t say she’s my favorite, you know. But as a character to watch, the train wreck of it, I very much enjoy watching Sheena. But I most relate to Lisa Vanderpump, of course. {laughs}
18. Favorite cookbook [52:15]
Liz Wolfe: Ok. What’s your favorite cookbook?
Diane Sanfilippo: Oh, um, Cook Once, Eat All Week.
Liz Wolfe: Obviously.
Diane Sanfilippo: Obviously. But I don’t cook from cookbooks.
Liz Wolfe: I do really love Cook Once, Eat All Week. That one is fantastic.
19. Beautycounter products [52:30]
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok, I’m going to mix in some of the live questions.
Liz Wolfe: Ok.
Diane Sanfilippo: So somebody is asking a Beautycounter question. Name a product you can’t live without? And something that’s best for dry, sensitive skin. I’m asking you, so you get to answer that.
Liz Wolfe: Ok. I heard the part about one product you can’t do without; I’m going to say two. The countermatch intense moisture serum and the charcoal mask. Love, love, love them.
Diane Sanfilippo: Interesting.
Liz Wolfe: And the other was, what? For dry…
Diane Sanfilippo: Dry, sensitive skin. What’s the best?
Liz Wolfe: Dry sensitive skin. I always like to start people with an oil. I think the oils are just top notch. Do you have thoughts on that?
Diane Sanfilippo: I would have guessed you were going to say that you couldn’t live without the cleansing balm. I’m shocked.
Liz Wolfe: No. No. I know. Obsessed with countermatch. I really am.
Diane Sanfilippo: Interesting. Ok. Should I answer that, or no?
Liz Wolfe: Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: OK. Right now, I feel like I can’t; I mean, I think the cleansing balm. I’m pretty into it. I don’t use it every day. But when I want it, I really like having it.
Liz Wolfe: Mm.
Diane Sanfilippo: Can you see the Q&A, or no?
Liz Wolfe: I probably can.
Diane Sanfilippo: I’ll just do the next one so we can get through.
Liz Wolfe: OK.
20. Favorite binge shows [53:34]
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok. Current favorite shows to binge on?
Liz Wolfe: I mean, Vanderpump Rules and Game of Thrones. And the other day I binged on New Girl. And it is just as funny watching it over and over again. I laughed out loud every three minutes, it was great.
Diane Sanfilippo: We often quote the pilot to that show. Where she’s standing naked with a plant in front of her, doing sexy things with the plant right now.
Liz Wolfe: {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: I’ll pick that up later. {laughs} Oh boy.
Liz Wolfe: Nick is my favorite. And Schmidt, of course. Oh my gosh, Schmidt. So good.
Diane Sanfilippo: Binge watching; I, not long ago, binge watched Moriah Carey’s whatever special. It was like 8 episodes. I feel like they were more than an hour each, which to me was so Moriah Carey.
Liz Wolfe: {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: I was just like; I don’t know how long these are. Like an hour and 14. She was just like; we’re going to cut them however we want, darlings. I actually found that it made her much more endearing, and I felt like I understood her more after watching it. And I really enjoyed that.
On like this micro-miniscule level of non-fame that I have; the touring thing and the feeling of stress and expectation and all of that. I’m imagining that massively multiplied. So watching her behavior; none of it is strange to me. I’m like; yeah. I would be like, someone get my Apple TV working before I’m in that hotel room. I want zero discomfort in any way if I’m having to live that life. Because I want zero discomfort living my residence in life, you know? {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: {laughing}
Diane Sanfilippo: So, I’m like.
Liz Wolfe: That residence in life.
Diane Sanfilippo: I’m like; I’m going to wear my Uggs until the last second. And Moriah Carey is getting pushed in like a wheely office chair to the stage, because she doesn’t want to walk in her heels. And I’m like; I get it girl. I get it.
Liz Wolfe: That’s fair! Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: I love it.
Liz Wolfe: I love these questions that are coming in by the way.
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok.
21. Dream/goal/hope for next year [55:42]
Liz Wolfe: I’ll read this one. What is your biggest dream/goal/hope for the next year?
Diane Sanfilippo: For me? Well right now my big focus is on meals and spices, sort of secondarily. And I really hope that we can blow up the business that we’re trying to build with the meals to the place where it needs to be to keep going and where I want it to be for what I think it can be. Because I think it will be so much fun to be able to do more with it. But I can’t do more with it until it grows. So that’s like; I don’t know. That’s my biggest hope in the next year in terms of work stuff. What about you?
Liz Wolfe: The next year I would like to really, really get the momentum going with Baby Making and Beyond. That’s professionally. And I would also really, really like to figure out whether I want to have another kid or not. {laughs} That’s a big one on the list.
Diane Sanfilippo: Tina Fey had a moment like that.
Liz Wolfe: Did she?
Diane Sanfilippo: You should read her book. Or listen to it is even better, but I know it’s the same thing.
Liz Wolfe: What did she decide? No.
Diane Sanfilippo: Well she did have another kid eventually. But she talks about that process of trying to figure it out. Yeah.
22. First kiss [56:56]
Liz Wolfe: OK. I’ll listen to that. Alright, this next one. What age was your first kiss? Tell us the story!
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: I love this so much. Can I tell my story?
Diane Sanfilippo: You. Please.
Liz Wolfe: I clearly remember it. It’s so bad. Ok. My first kiss was like 7th grade at Bump City {laughing}. It’s where you could drop your kids off; it’s like a gymnastics center with a ball pit and stuff. The parents could drop their kids off at Bump City, and we would all just giggle and hang out. And the boys would be over here, and the girls would be over here. And Blake Trillanger, who was a good foot and a half shorter than me {laughs}. We were going out, and we met in the hallway in Bump City to kiss.
Diane Sanfilippo: {snort}{laughs}
Liz Wolfe: And I remember thinking it was the most disgusting thing that had ever happened to me! {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: I mean, I can imagine the smell of that place, because I feel like every ball pit has that feet smell.
Liz Wolfe: It’s like a foot, foam, and hot dog smell.
Diane Sanfilippo: Ugh.
Liz Wolfe: So bad.
Diane Sanfilippo: The worst.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah. {laughs} Ok now you.
Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t know exactly how old I was. I was maybe a freshman in high school; maybe a sophomore. I don’t know. I was really not boy crazed. I mean, I had one guy I had a crush on forever in school. But anyway. This is so weird. It was in Cancun, and it was in a random club. And it was some guy named Joe from New York.
Liz Wolfe: Why were you in a Cancun Club when you were a freshman in high school?
Diane Sanfilippo: With my parents.
Liz Wolfe: Ok, fair enough.
Diane Sanfilippo: But they were like, bye kids!
Liz Wolfe: Is that like Senor Frogs or something {laughs}.
Diane Sanfilippo: Either La Boom; it was the one that had the red phone booths that look like they’re from London.
Liz Wolfe: You sound like you're from London!
Diane Sanfilippo: It was just; I mean, gross. But for me, I was so awkward in that way. {laughs} It had to be dark, and a stranger who didn’t know that I never kissed anyone before. Yeah, weird. Yep. That was it. And it was totally weird.
Liz Wolfe: Well, you’ve got to get over that; bad analogy. You’ve got to get over the hump. No.
Diane Sanfilippo: {Laughs} Bump City.
23. Meals and spices shipping [59:13]
Liz Wolfe: Bump City! Ok, Diane, will your spices or meals ever ship outside of the US. Like to Australia? Australian, mate.
Diane Sanfilippo: Not likely. The only place the spices may end up in Canada if I work on some distribution with a Canadian wholesaler or something to that effect. But meals, absolutely not. Literally, you can’t even try and mail a letter and let it get somewhere in time. So fresh food; I mean, we’re lucky it gets across the country.
But spices; actually there are some weird tariffs that happen with spices just because of things like importing, exporting, etc. So it’s not likely. It is what it is. We’re lucky I’m doing business right here in the US.
24. Mean Girls character [59:57]
Liz Wolfe: {laughs} OK, if you could be one Mean Girls character, who would you pick and why? #TheLimitDoesNotExist. {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: I mean, I don’t know that it’s about picking. It’s just like, I’m pretty sure I’m Regina George.
Liz Wolfe: Oh my gosh, I would totally pick Janice Ian. Because that’s who I feel like I am inside.
Diane Sanfilippo: Aren’t we all?
Liz Wolfe: Mom’s chest hair!
Diane Sanfilippo: Aren’t we all? {laughs} You definitely have your mom’s chest hair!
Liz Wolfe: {laughing}
Diane Sanfilippo: Moderately priced soaps are my calling.
25. Reality Show [1:00:27]
Liz Wolfe: Oh my gosh. OK. What next.
Diane Sanfilippo: I lost my spot. Hold on. Ok. If you could star in your own reality show; if you guys. This is us together. What would it be called, and what would the theme be? Huh.
Liz Wolfe: That’s a really good question, and I have no idea.
Diane Sanfilippo: I feel like this would have to be; so rewinding back. We almost wrote a book together. Do you remember this?
Liz Wolfe: Oh my god. Yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: We almost wrote a book together that was like; paleo on the road. Or something like that.
Liz Wolfe: {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: Practical Paleo on the Road. Or around the country. Something. Right?
Liz Wolfe: Yes.
Diane Sanfilippo: I feel like if we had a reality show, we would need to be back on the road. And it would be like when Oprah and Gale drove to see the USA in a Chevrolet and drove across the country in a Chevrolet. I feel like we need to be in a car again, being ridiculous, and making stops, and whatever. Something to that effect. That’s what I think it would need to be.
Liz Wolfe: We could call it 86; the 8 and the 6, and then also the metaphor of 86ing something means get it out of here.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} Like this show should be dumped.
Liz Wolfe: Do not watch this show.
Diane Sanfilippo: Something like that.
26. Housewives spirit animal [1:01:39]
Liz Wolfe: OK, I like this one. I’m going to take this one from you. Who is your Housewives’ spirit animal? Which Real Housewife do you resonate most with? Or I guess you could say reality TV person. Personality.
Diane Sanfilippo: I mean, the one that I think I’m probably the most like, for better or worse, I think is Lisa Vanderpump. Though I don’t enjoy the manipulative situations that seem to be happening around her. But just kind of the boss whatever. She’s so bossy.
Liz Wolfe: {laughs} Scott’s walking around; puttering around carrying Harper and is like;
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing}
Liz Wolfe: If you don’t like my wife, you're not a friend.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} Yeah. He would totally. He would be like; I will cut you. No he would not. But who I love; I mean I love Erica Jane. I’m in the Beverly Hills Realm right now. I mean, I love Bethany too. She’s a character. She just calls it like it is and I’m like; what she’s saying is true. So everyone else; we’re all just waiting for y’all to get to the point where we’re cut through the BS and realize that what she said was true. Anyway.
Liz Wolfe: She’s funny, too.
Diane Sanfilippo: I enjoy her.
Liz Wolfe: I do too.
Diane Sanfilippo: And I’m liking her story from the beginning. She was literally peddling her Skinny Girl food. And now look where she is everyone. Anyway. What about you?
Liz Wolfe: I’m liking Denise Richards right now.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} Did you see the latest episode?
Liz Wolfe: No, I haven’t even started it.
Diane Sanfilippo: Oh god! {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: Don’t tell me, don’t tell me. But I love…
Diane Sanfilippo: This makes your choice extra funny!
Liz Wolfe: I have to tell you how much I love Lisa Renna. Lisa Renna is my favorite person in part because she calls Harry Hamlin Harry Hamlin. She is so {laughs} just wacky and she does not even care.
27. Reunion podcast [1:03:43]
Liz Wolfe: Alright, let’s think of another one here. Do we have another question pop in? “I miss you both already. I just had a daughter and you both are my fave people to listen to on our walks. Question; when are you doing a reunion podcast!” {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: “Give us something to look forward to because all great acts do encores.” Yeah, you know what, I recently saw Steve Martin and Martin Short together on stage and it was wonderful to see them together. So I think you can count on some reunions. Anytime you guys need a sub for Driven, I’ll come on. {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah, we definitely plan on calling Liz and having her come onto Driven. Don’t y’all worry about that.
28. Diane’s social justice [1:04:26]
Liz Wolfe: Ok, this is another good one. “I am oddly emotional watching you guys, knowing this is the last episode. Diane, did you have a moment that pushed you into sharing more social justice information on your page? And Liz, how do you talk to your daughter about social justice issues?” Really good question.
Diane Sanfilippo: The moment I remember was when Nia Wilson, who is a young black women teenager. I don’t know exactly how old she was. But she was, I believe, stabbed. And it was right here in the Bay area. She was just waiting for a BART train. And I honestly just; it was just a moment that it was close to home geographically.
And I realized how; that experience is not something that as white women, or young white women, we ever really thought about. That’s not to say that I never had this concept of kind of consistently being in danger if I was alone, or something like that. I think that’s an experience that all women can identify with. We don’t walk around just innately feeling safe when we’re in strange places, or we’re alone, or it’s just two women. I think we always feel a little on guard. But I just felt like this is not right. Seeing who the person was that had attacked her.
We just took a sharp right turn with the show. But I was so upset and appalled, that I was like; I can’t not post about this. And I don’t know; it just got me. It hit me right in the gut.
And I think in terms of posting about it on social media, I don’t consider myself an influencer in the sense of; I’m not trying to accomplish a certain thing with my Instagram account. It is just me sharing of whatever it is that I want to share. Whether it’s my businesses etc. Which is one reason why the Balanced Bites accounts is Balanced Bites stuff. I don’t feel like that’s where I’m going to be sharing that type of content. It’s a company, etc. We’re sharing about food. But as a person, I’m just not someone who is only going to talk about food just because that’s my business. Because I have more things to share about.
And I do feel like to whom much is given, much is expected. So, if I’m given this opportunity to reach a large number of people, then I’m going to share about things that I think are important to me, and I will say this also. I remember in the past sharing about, along these same lines, sharing about gay marriage and being happy for that to become legal, and seeing some of my friends being able to get married legally. So actually I think that was one of the first times I did share about things that were more social justice related, and just human rights related to me. Watching people unfollow in droves.
And I’m the kind of person; I’m the kind of person who; I’m like bye! I am not upset. I didn’t want you here in the first place. If that’s going to make you run, I should have put that on the invitation. You know what I mean? That should have been on the sign at the door in the first place. So I’m happy to just kind of clear it all out. So I think that’s kind of how I feel about it. I’m totally fine for people; people keep unfollowing me in droves. My follower count literally is static, because I have as many people unfollowing as are following every single week. It’s really interesting.
What about you? With your daughter?
Liz Wolfe: How I talk to my daughter about social justice issues? I don’t know. I’m still trying to listen and figure out how to talk about this stuff. I think it’s a big moment when you can remove your own filters and lenses and just listen and hear other peoples’ experiences and accept that these things are happening. And that the world is; you cannot always put a rational patina on something. It’s just, sometimes horrible things are happening and we’re part of that.
One of the things that I’ve learned from following some of the people that you recommended to me was this idea of you can take part in the status quo without being actively a racist. You can benefit from the systems that are in place without; yeah.
Diane Sanfilippo: Mm-hmm.
Liz Wolfe: So I’m still figuring out how to speak to these things and form sentences around these topics. And it’s tough because I think my daughter is coming to the age where we need to be having these conversations, which is why I’m really appreciative of the work of Teach and Transform on Instagram, which is another account that you sent over to me, Diane. That’s been really interesting. And I’m also…
Diane Sanfilippo: Her name is also Liz.
Liz Wolfe: {laughs} Is it really? Oh my gosh. You're right; Liz Kleinrock. She’s an anti-bias educator. And this stuff is really awesome. I am acutely aware that we live in a very homogenous community, with very little diversity. And it was the same, even when we were in the military, really. So I think we’re coming to that point where I really do need to be thinking about this and actively practicing certain things. I’m just trying to figure out how exactly to do that. And where we send her to kindergarten is also going to be a big decision for me for these reasons. I really want to choose a school that’s going to be active in the community and sort of fill these gaps that I know I have and my ability to confer these lessons on a daily basis.
And you know; they’re at school for so long. So many hours each week, that you really have to pick a place that’s going to be a good proving ground for these types of things for your kids. So, it’s in process.
Diane Sanfilippo: For anyone who is listening, and is curious about how to get involved in those conversations, I mentioned Rachel Cargle’s account before. Teach and Transform is another one on Instagram. And one of the things that I’ve really picked up in terms of what it means to not just not be racist, but to actively be anti-racist. It doesn’t need to be a big public showing. It’s really more about the conversations around the dinner table, and identifying and having those conversation with the people like the uncle, or the grandpa, or the aunt, or whatever. And as we’re saying, with your kids. It’s really about doing the work on the ground and in your communities and in your own schools. It’s not about a public showing.
So there are things that I’m working on actively, that I’m not publicizing. It’s not about getting an award for what I’m doing with what I’m learning. It’s a constant process in the communities that I’m in, if that makes sense. So I don’t want anyone to feel like; well, I don’t have a social follow so I don’t know how to make an impact. It’s really about the everyday; when you see something happening in your school, or a conversation people are having, or the way people are being treated just, in our life. That’s where the change happens.
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Diane Sanfilippo: Ok. Wait, did you say who your spirit animal was? Did we miss that? Did I forget.
Liz Wolfe: I think I did.
Diane Sanfilippo: Oh, Lisa Renna. OK.
Liz Wolfe: It depends on the season that we’re in. I really like Delores from New Jersey. We’re so different. But I like her, and I like Frank Catania. {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: I mean, come on with those.
Liz Wolfe: Frank Catania is my spirit animal. {laughs}
Diane Sanfilippo: I mean, I really miss. You know who I miss. You know I miss Caroline Manzo.
Liz Wolfe: Oh, absolutely.
Diane Sanfilippo: Before I like you, I don’t like you. I mean, that is literally my tag line.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah, I like that a lot.
Diane Sanfilippo: Ok. I think we need to wrap it up. I think we’re pretty good there. Oh my gosh, you guys. Well, last call. We don’t have any more show questions. You guys, that was really fun.
Liz Wolfe: I don’t think I believe that this is the last one.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: After we close out, I might go cry in the bathtub. But this is still so surreal. It just feels like another ask us anything. And then 100 more, and we’ll do another one.
Diane Sanfilippo: It doesn’t feel like its ending to me, because I have a whole nother show that I’m now; a whole nother. I always think it’s weird when people say “nother”. Because it’s not actually a word.
Liz Wolfe: A whole nother.
Diane Sanfilippo: A whole other? Or An other?
Liz Wolfe: I bet mentally you're splicing in the word no, like A-whole-nother. Another whole show.
Diane Sanfilippo: But a whole other show. Another whole show. And so I’m still in that process, you know, of doing all that work. But it will be weird to not have this conversation every week.
Liz Wolfe: Yeah, it will. Well, thanks everyone so much for being part of this for the last 8 years. I know we have a lot of folks listening to this episode that have been there since day 1 when we were recording on the phone via Blog Talk Radio.
Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}
Liz Wolfe: Live. And it’s very important to us, the support that we’ve gotten from you folks. I don’t think that I would have; I don’t know. I don’t know that I would have gotten to this point where I feel like I do have a business and a career if it hadn’t been for the podcast. Because I think I gained a lot of self-confidence and I realized how many people actually wanted the information that I felt like a conduit for providing. So I just can’t thank you folks enough.
And Diane, I can’t thank you enough, either. This has just been; I mean, an experience that is second to none. So thank you for everything.
Diane Sanfilippo: I feel the same way. So thank you all for spending 400 hours or more listening to us yammer on about different things. And thank you for being the people who enjoyed the banter. And could appreciate that we enjoyed that part of the show, and wanted that intentionally to be part of the show. And not cut it out, and just be down to business and answering questions, because we felt it was really important that you got to know us as people. Both serious, thoughtful, and silly, goofy fun-loving ladies. So thank you for showing up to be here with me for all this time, Liz.
Liz Wolfe: I love you.
Diane Sanfilippo: I love you!
Liz Wolfe: {laughs}. Ok. Well, that’s it for the Balanced Bites podcast. You can find me, Liz, at http://realfoodliz.com/ and you can find Diane at http://dianesanfilippo.com. Join our email lists for free goodies and updates that you don’t find anywhere else on our websites. We love you all.
Diane Sanfilippo: Love you.
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