Podcast Episode #151: Sunglasses & sunscreen, antibiotic detox and how often to work out

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1.  Diane’s updates [5:00] 2.  Liz’s updates [11:27] 3.  Diane’s kitchen tip for neutral-tasting oil choices [16:39] 4.  Sun exposure and use of sunglasses [26:53] 5.  Supportive care after antibiotic use [37:30] 6.  Working out too much [43:00]

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Liz Wolfe: Hey everyone! Welcome to episode 151 of the Balanced Bites podcast. Our sponsors; oh wait. I’m Liz; that’s Diane. Hey, what’s up.

Diane Sanfilippo: Oh hey!

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Diane Sanfilippo: Me too.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah. I mean, I can say croissant.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: {laughs} It’s got a hyper modern esthetic featuring things like welded seams, contrast geometrics, textural blocking, and other intricate details. Which basically to me is like, it’s just a lot of details. I’m sure it’s just very super special.

Diane Sanfilippo: Is it like me if I say mise en plas, or.

Liz Wolfe: Yes.

Diane Sanfilippo: Ok {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Yeah. I’m sure it’s what cool people do, and I’m totally into it, but if you ask me to describe it, probably couldn’t do it. {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: So yeah, we’re excited about that. The main collection is two concepts; Mod City and Space Race launching in September, Mod City launching in August. So, if you’re into fashion, but you’re also real sporty, you should check them out, see what’s going on.

Diane Sanfilippo: And, I PR’d my snatch yesterday.

Liz Wolfe: I saw that.

Diane Sanfilippo: In a fully Splits59 outfit, so. I’m just saying.

Liz Wolfe: That was a good, I watched that video. That was very good.

Diane Sanfilippo: Thank you.

Liz Wolfe: Good form. Good extension.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} Four years of doing this. It’s getting there. It’s pretty good.

Liz Wolfe: And then I saw you drop the weights, and I noticed they weren’t bumper plates.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah they are.

Liz Wolfe: They are?

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah.

Liz Wolfe: That really dropped like they were straight up.

Diane Sanfilippo: No {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Not rogue plates. Oh my gosh, I saw the funniest thing.

Diane Sanfilippo: They were bumper plates.

Liz Wolfe: But let me tell you this first. Splits59 have generously offered our listeners 15% off any regularly priced merchandise with the promo code BALANCEDBITES, one word, not case sensitive. So, make sure you head over there and check it out. And what I had to tell you, Diane {laughs}.

Diane Sanfilippo: What.

Liz Wolfe: Was that my husband showed me this picture of, I guess the Rogue put it up there. You know that rogue does all the barbells and stuff like that.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah.

Liz Wolfe: Love Rogue. I love Rogue. I’m not making fun of them at all, but this was just kind of funny.

Diane Sanfilippo: Uh-oh.

Liz Wolfe: It was a picture, and either my husband misinterpreted it, or I wasn’t paying attention. Probably the latter. But what I gained from it was that they had left some bumper plates on a street corner, like they were donating them to the world at large, or whatever, and the street corner was clearly at like a hyper mod, super expensive piece of real estate. Like, {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Somewhere in California with a Porsche Cayenne pulling out of a driveway. And I was like wow. {laughs} These people lost everything, don’t you think that includes athletic equipment? {laughing}

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing}

Liz Wolfe: I was like, their president of the Pismo Beach disaster relief! {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: And I died and then I thought of you.

Diane Sanfilippo: Amazing.

1. Diane’s updates [5:00]

Liz Wolfe: Yeah. So, what’s going on in your world?

Diane Sanfilippo: Oh, well. {laughs} As of the time of airing of this podcast, I’m in Greece. Yay!!

Liz Wolfe: Yay. You’re so lucky.

Diane Sanfilippo: I’m picturing; I know you have some pictures somewhere on the interwebz. It’s like you celebrating life in a pool in like Santorini or something? I’ve seen this picture, so I’m like, this is me jumping up and down in Santorini! I’m sure I’ll be, at some point, on Wi-Fi and posting via Instagram.

Liz Wolfe: If I see a single picture of you on your computer.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: I’m going to rip your tongue out.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: I don’t know why your tongue, I was thinking of a scene in Game of Thrones.

Diane Sanfilippo: Oh boy. So yeah, so I’m in Greece, so we’re recording this; I mean, we usually record these a little bit ahead, but that’s what’s shaking. Besides the snatch PR yesterday, which was a thrill for me. And you know, not coincidentally, my awesome fiancée had worked on my shoulder, and they had given me an adjustment. As most of you know, he’s a chiropractor. He also does ART and all kinds of soft tissue work. And he worked on myself and a couple of other people yesterday who all PR’d our snatches. I was like, yeah! Anyway. {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Nice.

Diane Sanfilippo: I should probably give him a little plug in here in the area here. I mean, we’re near where the gym is over in Fairfield, and then where the new gym location where his new office will also be in Hoboken, New Jersey. So you can check him out, at drscottamills.com. But, anyway. That’s the big to-do. Also, since today is the 7th, the first new 21DSD group kicked off on Monday with the whole new online program. And, if you haven’t had a chance to check that out, if you’re curious about the program or you just kind of want to see what’s new. If you already owned the online program from 100 years ago. {laughs} There’s my 100 years, Liz.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Everything’s 100 years right now.

Liz Wolfe: Everything.

Diane Sanfilippo: If you owned the online program that was available up until the print books came out, or if you own either of the print books, check out the online program because I have a really amazing offer as well if you already owned something of the program. Just a heads up, if you’re thinking, oh I’ll go out and buy the book and then get a deal on the online program; I actually think the offer with the program is better, so if you don’t already have the books, if you want them, they’re basically kind of getting thrown in pretty inexpensively with the online program. But if you already own them, you’re getting a huge discount on the online program. So, anyway, check it all out. Right under the little packages information, there’s a link that says, hey, already own one of the books, or whatever, so you guys can click on that. I know tons of you guys who listen to the podcast already have done the program, so I just want to make sure that you know that’s there, and I’ve considered all of you. So don’t worry. But yeah, I’m pretty pumped.

People are real excited about it, downloading all kinds of the extra guides, listening to the audio. Something you can listen to in the car, the audio support series, all kind of similar to the way we do the podcast. It’s myself and one of the moderators, Rebekah Reddy, who’s a certified nutrition educator. She did part of the program that I did at Bauman college, and is very experienced with the program. She also has a family, she has a few small children, so she has her perspective on it as a mom and someone who does the program with kids in the house, and we did, I think they’re roughly 15-20 minutes. There might be some that run a little longer, some a tiny bit shorter, but if you have a little bit of a commute, or you just want to listen to something while you get ready in the morning to motivate you for the day. I’m pretty excited that we were able to do that, because, as all of you listening know, I like to talk!

Liz Wolfe: Ha!

Diane Sanfilippo: So you’ll get to hear me talk every morning in your bathroom! I’m doing superstar poses on my treadmill desk that I’m just standing on.

Liz Wolfe: Do you still use that? I was wondering if you still use that.

Diane Sanfilippo: I haven’t walked a ton on it. I definitely stand at it a lot, because what I did is I moved my external monitor to the treadmill platform, and it’s like a 24-30 inch monitor. It’s gigantic. So I haven’t walked as much on it because I’m walking outside more; we’re taking longer walks with the dog because the weather is nice, and I’m training very often, because I’m not as stressed with book deadlines and things like that, so I haven’t walked on it a lot, but I’m standing on it in my 5-finger shoes that we walked the dog in this morning.

Liz Wolfe: Lovely.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. I use it for that. I really do like standing. I think my energy level throughout the day feels a lot better if I’m not sitting.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: And I know, I know it’s better to not be sitting and all that gnarly stuff. Yeah, I think those are pretty much my biggest updates. I should probably throw it out there to people. My website right now is getting a little bit of help because it looks like, well, today it’s having a little bit of traffic trouble. Sorry for the traffic on my website. {laughs} I think we’re trying to fix the server, I don’t know what’s going on. But, go to http://blog.balancedbites.com/business if you're interested in learning more about what I’m doing with creating the business program. It’s going to be pretty neat; it’s not going to be a straightforward, here’s your clear path to create a business! It’s a little bit more like, questions that you are going to need to answer and information I can give you support on and advice and direction and all of that. But check that page out; I just have a form there for you to fill out, because part of what I’m doing in creating the program is pretty much what I do with everything I create, is taking what you guys want and need to learn, and really forming what I’m going to teach you largely based on that. Because I have a lot I can talk about, as Liz knows. {laughs} We sometimes talk for hours about who knows what.

Liz Wolfe: Yep.

Diane Sanfilippo: I’m a chatty Cathy. But I want to really make sure that what I put into the program is hugely based on what you all want to know. So, that’s kind of the story with that. So check that out. http://blog.balancedbites.com/business. That’s it. What’s up with you?

2. Liz’s updates [11:27]

Liz Wolfe: Sweet.

Diane Sanfilippo: You and the goats?

Liz Wolfe: I’m finishing the audio book. The goats have not been involved in that project.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: I’m sure they would have wanted to be, but not so much. Yeah, finishing the audio book. We’ve been pushing it pretty hard. Like, 4 or 5 hours of reading twice a week.

Diane Sanfilippo: Wow. That’s a lot.

Liz Wolfe: It’s intense. And you know, we’re doing it at the university nearby, so we basically are coordinating with a student who; whatever. It’s been so long since I was in college, I’m like, they’re babies!

Diane Sanfilippo: Who is this child? Right!

Liz Wolfe: Oh my gosh. But yeah, we’ve basically farmed some cheap labor out of the university. No, not really. He set his own price. But, just FYI. If you’re from the Midwest, and you’re doing business with people on either of the coasts, double your price. Because they’re going to expect to pay that anyway. Just a little advice there for you. And basically what I’m doing is standing in a closet for 5 hours at a time while reading Eat the Yolks. And, it’s interesting. I’m glad I’m not intensely claustrophobic. But, yeah, it’s been interesting so far.

Diane Sanfilippo: How long will the actual audio be time-wise? That sounds like a lot of hours, but I’m wondering how long.. I mean, I’m sure, is there reading and re-reading of things? Or kind of going straight through?

Liz Wolfe: Yes, very much so.

Diane Sanfilippo: Oh, ok.

Liz Wolfe: So, think about, you're reading, and I’ve never thought about this before because the way I write, it is very difficult to speak it, because I make, I’ve crafted very complex sentences, and by the time…

Diane Sanfilippo: Mmm. A lot of asides.

Liz Wolfe: Yes. And you’re halfway through the sentence, and you’re like {gasps}. So, gasping for breath. But if you think about, you’re reading something out loud, and the word hour. Like, I say are. “When the food hits our stomachs.” But, and then I’m in my head, and I’m like, should I have said, “When the food hits our stomachs.” And you know, read it like a real pro.

Diane Sanfilippo: Right.

Liz Wolfe: Or whatever. I was questioning myself because of the word data, and should I say data, should I say data? What I say data I think of the guy from Star Trek the Next Generation.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: You just get in your own head. You’re in this little room, and you’re like, all the voices, all talking to you while you’re reading. And we’ve done each section twice, and what this guy is going to have to do is he’s going to have to go through and take out the breath sounds and the, you know if my voice cracks, he’s going to pull a word from another track.

Diane Sanfilippo: Whoa.

Liz Wolfe: All kinds of crazy stuff. So the work is mostly his, but he’s not here to bitch about it, so.

Diane Sanfilippo: And he has to listen to you over, and over?

Liz Wolfe: Oh, so many times.

Diane Sanfilippo: Oh gosh.

Liz Wolfe: Yes.

Diane Sanfilippo: Worse. I’m just kidding {laughs}.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah, I can’t even imagine it. The funny thing was, you know we’re doing it at the university. He said something in passing the other day. He was like, yeah, I’m pretty sure there’s asbestos in this building. And I was like, oh!

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing}

Liz Wolfe: He’s like, but it’s only a problem if they try to remove it and the stuff gets in the air. And I was like,

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Well that’s good, because at the time. See, I haven’t really talked about this much. But I’ve been developing a preconception nutrition fertility nutrition and pregnancy nutrition program with a midwife friend of mine who is amazing. She’s from Canada. Because that’s been my passion for a while. And I’m sitting there thinking, wow. I’m definitely not putting anything like, don’t work in a building with asbestos in it for 5 hours at a time in a tiny closet.

Diane Sanfilippo: Mmm.

Liz Wolfe: With a ceiling hanging in. That’s probably not good for fertility.

Diane Sanfilippo: Ugh.

Liz Wolfe: So, my whole life just came flashing before my eyes with that one.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}.

Liz Wolfe: Oh god, just don’t pull it out of the wall!

Diane Sanfilippo: I know, onto you.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: I’m kind of glad I can’t make an audio version of my books.

Liz Wolfe: You probably could. It would just be really, really long.

Diane Sanfilippo: Day 12. Lunch.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah. {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing}

Liz Wolfe: People would like it!

Diane Sanfilippo: Breakfast, day 11. Swirly crustless quiche, perfectly baked bacon, leftover root vegetables.

Liz Wolfe: That sounds good!

Diane Sanfilippo: People would just be so hungry.

Liz Wolfe: Think of how many mindless things we listen to. I mean, I listen to, because I’m in town with the good internet today.

Diane Sanfilippo: Oh!

Liz Wolfe: I do this for you, Diane.

Diane Sanfilippo: Thank you.

Liz Wolfe: But during the whole drive, I was just listening to some random crap in the background, like 610 sports or something, at chief’s training camp. I wasn’t really listening. I mean, if you would do that, I wouldn’t really listen, but I would buy it.

Diane Sanfilippo: {huffs} Jerk.

Liz Wolfe: I know.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Pssh. What do you care if I listen or not? I’ll just give you my money.

Diane Sanfilippo: I care.

Liz Wolfe: I know you do.

Diane Sanfilippo: Deeply.

Liz Wolfe: Your biggest flaw is that you care too much.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing}

Liz Wolfe: My biggest flaw is that sometimes I spend too much time volunteering.

Diane Sanfilippo: Isn’t that the same thing?

Liz Wolfe: Probably.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: So do you want to answer my kitchen question?

Diane Sanfilippo: Do you want to do that first?

Liz Wolfe: Or last.

Diane Sanfilippo: Whatever, we could do it now. Now they’re going to want to hear it, so.

3. Diane’s Kitchen tip for neutral-tasting oil choices [16:39]

Liz Wolfe: Yeah, I want to know now, so let’s do it now.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} Because after I answer it, you’re going to leave while I answer other questions.

Liz Wolfe: Yep. I’m out.

Diane Sanfilippo: Ok.

Liz Wolfe: So, as you all know, Diane has been sharing Diane’s Kitchen Tip with us as part of the Balanced Bites podcast.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} When I remember to.

Liz Wolfe: When she remembers. But today, I had, I would like to pose Diane a question. Liz’s kitchen question.

Diane Sanfilippo: {Laughs}

Liz Wolfe: And, here it is. I recently made a homemade salad dressing using the advice to use a little bit of mustard that you gave in a previous kitchen tip.

Diane Sanfilippo: Oh, yeah!

Liz Wolfe: It was lovely! The consistency was great. I used a really high quality olive oil. But my problem is, whenever I use olive oil, I just can perceive of that olive oil, something. It just has something to it, where I’m just like, this tastes too much like olive oil. So I’m trying…

Diane Sanfilippo: Never!

Liz Wolfe: Huh?

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} I love olive oil.

Liz Wolfe: I mean, I do to, and I’ve used that same olive oil for a million other things. But in this dressing, it just over powered it. So I was wondering what some good neutral oils were for making homemade salad dressing and mayo and stuff like that.

Diane Sanfilippo: Ok. I have two answers to this question.

Liz Wolfe: Ok.

Diane Sanfilippo: The first answer is tough love answer, in that a truly healthy, I think probably the best choice for oils that we’re using for cold applications, wanting a neutral, non-flavored oil is a modern problem.

Liz Wolfe: Mmm. Fair enough.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} So, it’s kind of like.

Liz Wolfe: This is why salads are the worst!

Diane Sanfilippo: This is why Sally Fallon hates lettuce!

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} I feel like that should be a shareable, or something.

Liz Wolfe: {laughing}

Diane Sanfilippo: But, truthfully, naturally occurring oils from things like olives that are getting pressed, they have flavor, because the thing that it came from has flavor. Same thing as coconut oil, how people are always looking for a flavorless coconut oil, and you can get the more refined form, which, it’s more refined.

Liz Wolfe: Mm-hmm.

Diane Sanfilippo: It’s fine, it’s because it’s such a stable oil, it’s not going to be as damaged, so coconut oil that is neutral for cooking if you’re getting the refined one. But for salad dressing and mayonnaise, mayonnaise, mayonnaise, how do you say that?

Liz Wolfe: I say mayonnaise. You say mayonnaise.

Diane Sanfilippo: Mayonnaise.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah. Potato… potato. {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Potato? So, this is, coincidentally, outlined in this book I wrote a few years ago called Practical Paleo.

Liz Wolfe: Right.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} I have the guide to cooking fats. This is all about heat application, obviously, but you can look at it also for cold application. I have fats and oils in the guide for what’s cold, what’s cold use safe, and obviously olive oil comes up there. But things like macadamia nut oil and avocado oil are probably some of your best bets in terms of what has more of a neutral, non-flavor. And so if you’re concerned about macadamia nuts not being something you can really tolerate, then probably the avocado oil is your best bet. I’ve definitely heard a lot of people doing avocado oil mayonnaise. So check that out. Maybe, it is a pretty expensive one though.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: So you might want to blend it. I think the salad, or not salad dressing, the mayonnaise recipe I have in 21-Day Sugar Detox, I’m going to open this book here right next to me. I’m pretty sure I blend in a few different oils, because I find that a lot of the unsaturated fats, they make a really loose mayonnaise and it’s not as thick, it doesn’t have the stabilizers that we’re used to in the store bought mayonnaise. And so, actually using a little bit of coconut oil kind of helps, because it obviously makes it a lot more firm. And so, you can kind of play around with that, and maybe use more or less just kind of depending on your tastes. Hold on a second, now I’m being asked a question in the middle of recording a podcast. Can you close the door please?

Liz Wolfe: {laughing}

Diane Sanfilippo: Thank you.

Liz Wolfe: Oh, life.

Diane Sanfilippo: I told him I was recording a podcast, and there’s laundry happening. We’re leaving in 3 days, so. It happens. Anyway, sorry folks. We’re not going to be editing that out, because we don’t do that. He was just being nice, asking if I wanted lunch, which was very thoughtful and appreciated. But.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} We don’t eat until we’re done! Crack the whip.

Liz Wolfe: We don’t eat until the podcast is done!

Diane Sanfilippo: Totally. SO, the recipe in the 21-Day Sugar Detox uses egg yolks, lemon juice, Dijon, it uses macadamia nut oil, and olive oil. I guess I probably didn’t; I didn’t put coconut oil in here. But I think you can. And I don’t know if I said you could maybe do it. It says or other oil. I guess I’m not remembering correctly. I thought I put a little bit of coconut oil in there, but maybe I didn’t. That’s kind of a tip. If you want to maybe bulk it up a little bit or just make it more firm if it’s always coming out really lose, something you could do. But yeah, those are pretty much the only two that I think are more neutral tasting; avocado and macadamia nut. But I don’t think I have those in my house.

I know a lot of people are getting really into the sunflower oil mayonnaise. I’m not really a fan of that as something that I would either make or buy to keep in my home, partially because if we look at the fatty acid profile, it’s pretty high in poly unsaturated fats. I mean, according to at least the data I collected when I looked it up for the chart I made in Practical Paleo, it’s about 40% poly unsaturated, 45% monounsaturated, and about 10% saturated. And so, generally what we’re trying to do is avoid some of these highly unsaturated, high PUFA content oils. Even though it is still cold application, I just think the capability for it to turn rancid, we don’t know how the manufacturer handled it before it got to store shelves.

So, you know, something that I would eat, and I posted a picture recently, I was at Whole Foods, and my Whole Foods actually has Sir Kensington’s brand of ketchup, mustard, and mayonnaise at the little stop and eat whatever, I don’t know, get your utensils and condiments and all that good stuff. And so I took some of that mayonnaise; it was really, really delicious. I really liked it, but I don’t think I’m going to buy it and keep it in my house for the reasons I just outlined in terms of the fatty acid profile. So it’s not a paleo perfectionist thing, or any of that, everyone’s going to make their own choice. I’ve seen lots of people buying it and loving it, but I don’t think it’s something I would want to buy and keep in the house. I think it’s a good choice, though, for when you’re out and about. Better, for sure, than canola and soybean oil. That is certain.

Liz Wolfe: I really like just simple olive oil and vinegar, but when I add too many flavors to it, that’s when I get that olive oil flavor that’s not; this was like a raspberry vinaigrette or strawberry vinaigrette or something like that.

Diane Sanfilippo: If you’re trying to make something that’s got, if you want to have a fruity salad dressing, I think I did this in Practical Paleo, I can’t remember. I think I may have done a blend, or I used the macadamia nut oil when I did an orange vinaigrette, because it’s milder. Much milder than really good quality olive oil for a salad dressing, so you could try that. And it does have, you know, that nut oil does have a little bit of sweeter taste.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: Something to consider. Something like walnut oil, very, very high in poly unsaturated fatty acids, partially because we know that they’re relatively high in omega-3 fats. But again, when you consider the processing that oil went through, and the handling that you’re unsure of, I think that those fats are too delicate, especially once they’re extracted from the whole food of the walnut. I’m just, I’m not sure I trust that as something to be eating in large quantities.

Liz Wolfe: Mmm.

Diane Sanfilippo: And I know how y’all eat salad dressing and mayonnaise. By the cupful, so. {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: That would require that I eat salads, and again.

Diane Sanfilippo: You’re not a salad girl!

Liz Wolfe: No.

Diane Sanfilippo: I’m big into the salads. I’m probably a huge salad almost every day.

Liz Wolfe: But that’s just so fraught with peril for me!

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing}

Liz Wolfe: Because, it’s like you’re putting so many things in one thing, and it’s like, oh! Should not have put those cranberries in there. That ruined the whole thing.

Diane Sanfilippo: Well, that never happens. Cranberries are pretty much always good. I love having them around.

Liz Wolfe: That’s true.

Diane Sanfilippo: But I’m pretty good at balancing flavors, imagine that. {laughing} Like of all the things I’m not highly skilled at, balancing flavors is one of them. I don’t get to make sandwiches anymore, which I used to be a pretty proud sandwich maker.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Salads are kind of my jam.

Liz Wolfe: {laughing}

Diane Sanfilippo: I even get Scott to eat, {laughs} what does he say, he says this one tastes like dirt. I’ll but beets and sprouts in it, and he’s like, what are you feeding me. I’ve been trying to get some bitter stuff into our salad lately, like radicchio and some other bitter greens. I’m like, it’s good for your liver! {laughs} It’s good for a detox.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: But yeah. So, that was like 10 minutes to answer a two word answer question.

Liz Wolfe: Look. My questions are just as important as everybody else’s questions.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} Well, that’s what I have to say about that.

4. Sun exposure and sunglasses use [26:53]

Liz Wolfe: Ok. Alright. So, here’s a question from Natalie. Sun, sunglasses, and sunscreen. “Hi Diane and Liz. Thanks so much for your podcasts. I just recently caught up, and I have to say, I was so spoiled before. I can’t believe I have to wait a whole week for the next one to come out. I have a general question about sun, sunglasses, sunscreen, etc. I guess this is more for Liz, because these are things I’ve heard you mention in passing before, but I’m wondering if you can expand on them.

First, I think I once heard you lump sunglasses into the category of sunscreen in terms of cloudy conventional nonsense. Can you clarify what’s not good about sunglasses? I would imagine that it may interfere with sun hitting your eyes, and messing with circadian rhythms. Probably nothing to do with vitamin D, right? However, I also really don’t want wrinkles around my eyes or sunburn on my lids. Is it a good idea to wear sunglasses, but stay away from the 100% UV blocking. Or, just forgo them completely. Can I make up for what they do to my eyes with exposed skin? I did have laser eye surgery 3 years ago, and would like to protect my 20/15 vision, but I was basically told to never go outside without sunglasses again as much as I could help it. I was really good for the first 6 months, but after that, I got lazy and my vision and eyes are still great.

I think someone mentioned in a question that you don’t actually make too much vitamin D on places like your face and hands. Is that true? Would it still be a good idea to protect your face and hands with badger sunscreen, for example, if you can get torso exposure, since you wouldn’t get vitamin D there, anyway? Or does that mess with circadian rhythms? Should I run around naked with a ski mask and gloves, or am I putting myself at risk for melanomas on my face and hands if I protect them too much? Not that I’ve ever been a sunscreen Nazi by any means, so my hands and face have definitely gotten their fair share of exposure. Again, I don’t want to look like my skin or hands have had too much exposure, but I certainly would like to reap the benefits.

About myself, I basically look like the main character from the Pixar movie Brave, so there were certainly no African savannah dwellers in my ancestry. I’ve been doing my best to lay out this summer as work permits. I go out as close to midday as possible in a bikini, with my face covered, and hands and tops of forearms facing down, started out at 2 minutes per side, increased to about 6 minutes per side with no burns ever. Don’t laugh. The only problem is, I don’t seem to be tanning. I have lots of freckles, and while I’ve never been one to lament my freckles as many do, at some point enough is enough and too dark is just not a good look. I really don’t want to be one big freckle. I spent hours outside everyday in the summer through the entire second decade of my life in pants and short sleeves, so I’ve always rocked the farmers tan of freckles. Now, when I’m not laying out, I do get to spend some time hiking, but I’m wearing short sleeves and shorts, no torso exposed. At some point, should a freckley person just stop trying? Thanks in advance, and sorry brevity is not my strong suit.

Ok. The only thing I’m going to pull out of the additional info is that she takes 2-3 ml of fermented cod liver oil every day after being diagnosed with very low vitamin D. When she starts to forget, teeth get sensitive and she has to start taking it again. Even though I would guess my vitamin D is much better.

Ok. So there’s a lot in this question. I don’t remember saying that sunglasses were like conventional nonsense. I think maybe somebody out there in the alternative health community has said that; I don’t know if it has something to do with that real holistic method of trying to improve eyesight. I think it’s called the Bates method or something like that.

Diane Sanfilippo: I’ve definitely heard that wearing sunglasses sort of might impair your skin, your body’s, your cells ability to identify more sun exposure, that it’s happening. So, if you’re wearing sunglasses, you might get burned faster because you’re missing the feedback that would be coming through your eyes.

Liz Wolfe: That’s interesting.

Diane Sanfilippo: To your brain about more sun.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t know. I don’t know how true it is. I’ve definitely not been a fear monger about it. I’m not trying to get people all crazy, but I’ve heard that, and so I think it’s an interesting point to maybe observe in ourselves. You know, if you’re wearing sunglasses, do you find you get burned faster or not? I don’t know.

Liz Wolfe: That’s interesting.

Diane Sanfilippo: It is.

Liz Wolfe: I mean, I wear sunglasses when the only other way.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} You wear sunglasses at night. Let’s face it.

Liz Wolfe: I wear sunglasses constantly, because I found a pair of aviators that actually fits my big freaking head.

Diane Sanfilippo: You do have a big head, and I have a tiny head, and I also have aviators, so there you go.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah. Huge head. So I was really excited about that, and so I wear them all the time. But, ok, number one, I’m really, I don’t like wrinkles and I try very hard not to get them. I think, the way I know my skin will wrinkle one day when it starts to wrinkle is I will look very angry and I try to avoid that. Some people might remember this from the Skintervention Guide, but I talk about a product in there called Frownies. And Diane, you used those for a while, right?

Diane Sanfilippo: Yes.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah, so. Probably when I was like 24, 25, I was waking up having been frowning so intensely while I was sleeping, and I would wake up with these really angry wrinkles in between my eyebrows. And I just looked mad. SO I started wearing these Frownies, and somehow they kind of, I don’t know, they kind of trained me out of frowning, or something? I don’t know what it is. But I’m actually really good at squinting without wrinkling. It’s kind of hard to explain. But I basically try really hard not to squinch. {laughs} But I do tend to not wear sunglasses if I don’t really, really have to. I’ll usually wear a hat or something like that instead if I need a little bit of a shield. But for some reason, I guess I am, now that she asks, even though I can’t remember talking about it before. I am a little bit suspicious of constantly shading some of the sun’s rays and not all out of that area of your face, just like any other area of the body. I just don’t think we have any real historical precedent for it. So I think that’s something to think about when you chose how you're protecting yourself from the sun.

When I lay out, I often do so stark naked. For just a couple of minutes. Because every single cell, and this goes to her question about hands and face. Every single cell in our body does have vitamin D receptors. So, it’s not so much that, gosh the face and the hands aren’t benefiting from sun exposure. But it’s more, the more surface area you can cover the better. I don’t know how they’re concentrated, and whether vitamin D receptors are less concentrated in the hands. I suspect not. But that certainly could be the case. I forgot where I was going with that. But I do think it’s important to get sun on as many parts of the body as possible. Especially the parts that don’t usually get any kind of sun exposure whatsoever, because there is some indication out there that a lot of malignancy are discovered in places that are rarely touched by the sun. That’s actually been the case for me. The moles that I’ve had to have removed and biopsied; this was actually long before, this was kind of in my sun-fearing days, when I would slather on sunscreen, and oh the sun is so bad. Most of those were removed in places that hardly ever saw the sun in the first place, which I thought was interesting. Of course, there’s the other side of that story, where people end up having cells removed from places that have been exposed to the sun without really realizing it, like the hairline, places that sunscreen doesn’t touch.

Anyway, the point with this is you have to find a balance. It sounds like Natalie has found a pretty good balance. With people with really fair skin, I think it’s really important to focus on vitamin D containing foods in addition to, maybe as much if not more, than getting sun exposure, because there is that reality of how different skin tones are more and less receptive to sunlight. It’s important, but from an evolutionary perspective, people from northern latitudes actually probably need more vitamin D rich food and potentially a little bit less exposure to the sun. So, if you’re worried about the freckles and all of that, you know you can chill out a little bit on the sun. A few minutes, 2-6 minutes, I think is good pretty consistently, along with those vitamin D rich foods. I think the indication that your teeth get sensitive when you forget to take your fermented cod liver oil , your body is definitely telling you something. Did I cover everything?

Diane Sanfilippo: I think so.

Liz Wolfe: Good. It was a long question, I didn’t want to drag it out too much. Am I putting myself at risk for melanomas on my face and hands if I protect them too much. Again, that’s kind of the balance. I think you can assume; you know what I worry about? And I think I’ve said this before. We, I said this to my husband one time, and he was like, ok. It wasn’t any kind of big revelation for him, but we are constantly behind windows. So, we’re driving the car and the sun is coming in through the window, and it’s hitting what? Our hands, our arms, and parts of our face.

Diane Sanfilippo: Mm-hmm.

Liz Wolfe: It’s the same at work. If we’re lucky enough to have a window in our office, that’s the way the sun is coming in and that’s what it’s hitting. So, I do see an argument for being aware of which parts of our bodies are being hit by an imbalance of UV rays. So if the UVA rays are getting through, and the UVB rays are being blocked by the windshields and the windows and all of that stuff. So I could see looking to protect those parts of the body during those imbalanced moments of exposure. But that’s kind of a different strategy altogether. You could wear driving gloves; we could make those cool again.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing}

Liz Wolfe: I don’t know how you feel about that.

Diane Sanfilippo: I feel like you should wear them just to indicate to others how you’ll be driving.

Liz Wolfe: Right.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing}

Liz Wolfe: I think you’re right. I think we’re going to bring back driving gloves, actually.

Diane Sanfilippo: I would like to see that on Instagram.

Liz Wolfe: So you know what, Natalie, in answer to your question, yes you should run around naked with a ski mask and gloves.

Diane Sanfilippo: I like that idea.

Liz Wolfe: Or at the very least, drive in a ski mask and gloves, and go to your workplace in a ski mask and gloves, because nothing terrible could ever come of that.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing}

Liz Wolfe: {laughs} I like this question. It was good.

Diane Sanfilippo: Ok.

5. Supportive care after antibiotic use [37:30]

Liz Wolfe: Ok. Alright, next one. This is also from Natali, but Natali with an “I”. How can I detox from antibiotics? “Hello ladies. I want to thank you for your blog, podcast, and books that provide very helpful information on health. I recently had an intense dental procedure, and I’m on antibiotics and painkillers, much to my dislike. What do you recommend to cleanse my body of these toxic drugs?”

Diane Sanfilippo: Succinct.

Liz Wolfe: Yes.

Diane Sanfilippo: That was a succinct one.

Liz Wolfe: Very.

Diane Sanfilippo: Do you want to throw in some notes first here?

Liz Wolfe: I mean, it can be a long road back. You really do have to be patient and persistent with it. What was it? Dental procedure. Ok. I think that both local and systemic probiotics could be a good idea. So a good probiotic supplement, good probiotic foods. The types of foods that are prebiotic, as well. And the types of fiber that are really healthy and help foster good gut bacteria. And then along with that, maybe a probiotic mouthwash of some kind. Something like that is probably what I would do.

Diane Sanfilippo: Well, that’s interesting.

Liz Wolfe: Think so?

Diane Sanfilippo: I do.

Liz Wolfe: I do not recommend conventional mouthwash.

Diane Sanfilippo: Oh yeah.

Liz Wolfe: It wipes out everything, and I understand bad breath is a bad deal, but I would definitely.

Diane Sanfilippo: Just save it for the make out sessions.

Liz Wolfe: Right.

Diane Sanfilippo: You don’t have to do it every day. {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Yeah. 100%.

Diane Sanfilippo: I actually, yeah, I mean, I have a friend who was like a huge mouthwash person her whole life, and

Liz Wolfe: Was that a thing?

Diane Sanfilippo: What, being a mouthwash person?

Liz Wolfe: Being a mouthwash person?

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah, like really big on the Listerine. A lot of our listeners are probably like, yes, me.

Liz Wolfe: OK.

Diane Sanfilippo: Until recently, maybe. Yeah, I think that might really be messing up our bacterial balance, killing off all the… I mean, it’s like swishing hand sanitizer in your mouth.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. I can’t, yeah. If it’s not safe to swallow, I mean, that’s like, that’s a little scary to me. But, anyway. I just think; you know, people ask all the time about different, after this exposure what should I do to kind of come back, and I think there’s always the kind of do what you know you should do to the best of your ability thereafter. You know, so trying your best to eat cleanly and cook your own food, and not dine out too much. Just kind of the basics. I really think that’s the time after you’ve had the antibiotic painkiller situation, {laughs} the situation. I just think that’s really the time to not go out and be drinking a whole bunch.

You really want to support your liver. Eating more liver supportive foods, which actually. I talked about this in one of the 21-Day Sugar Detox launch videos. I was kind of teaching about some different topics, and one of them was foods to support liver detox. You know, it’s pretty basic. Cruciferous vegetables are supportive of the liver. Beets and beet tops. If you have a juicer, you can also juice the tops of your beets. Green juice without lots of fruit, good for that. Eggs and egg yolks, specifically the choline in the egg yolk is very supportive of a liver detox. Making sure you’re eating just enough protein in general. One of the big misconceptions about supporting detox pathways is that just drinking juice is good to detox your body, but you actually need amino acids to fulfill phase 1 and phase 2 liver detox. Which, you know, there are different processes that your liver goes through, but you do need amino acids to support that. So, eating protein is still a good idea.

This might be the time where, again, we’re not paleo perfectionists, but trying to eat more of the grass-fed meat, wild caught fish, and trying not to do as much that’s conventional, just when you’re body is in that place where you’ve just kind of inundated it with potential known toxins to keep it kind of cleaner. And then some other supplements are known to be helpful for liver detox we talk about all the time milk thistle, which you can just sip on that as a tea if you’re unsure of dosing and all that, you can buy a milk thistle tea or take some kind of herbal supplementation with that. That’s pretty much it.

Liz Wolfe: Cool.

Diane Sanfilippo: And I would avoid {laughs} avoid too much sugar after that situation, while you’re trying to get that bacterial balance back in your gut, I would try and keep the sugar out. I definitely would not be drinking.

Liz Wolfe: Ugh.

Diane Sanfilippo: Easy for me to say, I know. I was going to write an update on Facebook one day, and be like, I’m going to lose a popularity contest today, I’m just not a big drinker. I can eat, I can really freaking eat, but I’m not a good drinker, and I don’t love it most of the time. But when I do drink, it’s very quick to make me pretty happy, so. I’m just not that good at drinking. So there you go.

Liz Wolfe: Oh. I wouldn’t say I’m good at it.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} I think you’re pretty good at it, Liz.

Liz Wolfe: I’m practiced at it.

Diane Sanfilippo: I think that’s what makes people good at it!

6. Working out too much [43:00]

Liz Wolfe: Oh man. Alright. This one is from Michelle. Working out; what’s best and how often? “I’ve been treating with a nutrition response practitioner for almost 2 years, and I’ve cut out dairy, soy, refined sugar, gluten, and corn. I stick to mostly grain free, even though I’m told I can handle oats, quinoa, and brown rice. I’m not sure how much you know about NRT, but I suggest you look at it, because I’ve never heard you talk about it in a podcast.” Not because I haven’t looked at it, but because I’m just not that into it, FYI.

“I received a new workout DVD system for Christmas and have been doing it exactly how I’m supposed to. It’s the Tracy Anderson metamorphosis. You do dance cardio and a muscular structure workout, a total of 1 hour per day, 6 days a week. I did lose my period from January to June, and lost about 7 pounds. I do not have much to lose, if any. I’m 5 feet 7, and weigh about 131. I just want to make sure…” I didn’t read this question before… I’ve just got to look at this real quick. Ok, I’m going to keep going.

“I just want to make sure I don’t gain it back, so I’m scared to cut back, even though I hear you talk about exercising in excess regularly. I’m also a runner, but only run one time per week now, because the Tracy Anderson program does not like it. I have run a few half-marathons. I’m also afraid of getting bulky. Because of some bipolar tendencies in my family, I’ve also been researching and trying a ketogenic diet, but only going as far as 60 grams of carbs two times per week. Otherwise, 3 days during the week I try to stay under 100 grams of carbs, and then take two days off of counting. But I only get carbs from sweet potatoes and occasionally brown rice and quinoa. I eat berries only a few times per week. I would like to know if you have any suggestions for me when it comes to a workout plan. How much do I need to work out to stay in shape, and not gain weight back? Do I work out too much? Thanks for all you do. I love listening to you every day on my way to and from work.”

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} Liz.

Liz Wolfe: My brain just broke.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: {laughs} You lost your period.

Diane Sanfilippo: Liz, do you think we should answer this one?

Liz Wolfe: Well, I want to be loving about it, but man. I just want to punch Tracy Anderson in her head. Tracy Anderson is someone who is naturally tiny.

Diane Sanfilippo: For the record, I just want to say this. I’m not laughing at Michelle here.

Liz Wolfe: No, me neither.

Diane Sanfilippo: At all. I just was; I don’t think you realize what this question was even all about before we even tackled it.

Liz Wolfe: No. No I didn’t.

Diane Sanfilippo: Ok.

Liz Wolfe: Tracy Anderson is peddling nothing special. Ok, number one. Number two, I understand the pressure that we put on ourselves to look a certain way. But many times, that pressure has absolutely nothing to do with realizing a picture of actual health. When you lose your period, if I had my way, if a person, if a client lost their period I would make them not worry about, forget about every single other thing in their life, eat real food, do restorative exercise, and get your period back. Because that’s serious. Our number one capacity as human beings is the ability to reproduce. That’s kind of our basic biological function. And when that is spared by our body, it is a huge signal that something is going wrong. So, for me, this is an issue. And I can’t answer how much to work out to stay in shape and not gain weight back, because I’m just worried about losing your period.

Diane Sanfilippo: To lose it for 6 months, that’s a long time.

Liz Wolfe: That’s a long time. And that could be a long road back. If you’re not willing to do what it takes, and not worry about not gaining the weight back, or how much.. .you know. That type of thing.

Diane Sanfilippo: One of the issues I see here, too, is, I mean it sounds like she’s at a healthy to even pretty light body weight. I don’t know what her body shape is like. I’m 5’4”, and I weight definitely more than that. I’m pretty muscular.

Liz Wolfe: You’re 5’4”?

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. I don’t know, I’m just loud, so it seems like I’m taller.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} But, you know, I have one of the athletes at my gym who was off from training for at least 6 months, maybe a year, and she came back with a vengeance. She really wanted to train hard, she gained some weight, and she started training really hard for a couple of months, and she lost her period. For 2 months. And she’s not under weight. She’s probably under feeding herself, she admitted to that. I know this is not Michelle’s situation, but I’m drawing a parallel here, so stay with me. She’s perfectly capable of training really hard, has a very strong body. Again, she did have some body fat to lose when she started training again, so it’s not like she went to this underweight place. But what she did, which is what it kind of sounds like Michelle did, and when I say this you have to remember that every person’s capacity of stress from all these different aspects in our lives is different. So, this person at the gym, this woman trained for a couple of months and lost her period. Now, you would look at her and be like, oh you look really good. She lost some body fat, but when she told me, she was like, yeah I don’t think I’m eating enough. And I was like, ok so what you’re telling me is you’re training hard, some days you’re training twice a day. You’ve rapidly lost probably at least 10 pounds, and you’ve lost your period. What this tells me is that this is too much for you. You know, the hard part is, from the outside, she’s going to get reinforcement.

Liz Wolfe: Right.

Diane Sanfilippo: Because she “looks good.” And she’s getting her body back to where she wants it to be. But she’s forcing it faster than it’s ready for, and so it’s giving up on the thing that’s really most important to life, which is that reproduction. So, you know, my advice to her was, if you lose it again.. I said it could just be shock. Sometimes we do things that are really drastic, our body is shocked, it doesn’t know how to get it’s bearings, and then it comes back and you’re fine. So if this happens for like, one or two months and you take action and change things, ok. This could just be shock. But if this happens again, you're doing too much. First and foremost, you’re probably under eating. Your body can handle a lot of exercise, but not if you don’t feed it. And you have to really eat.

So, working out what’s best and how often; this question is really sort of, I don’t know if veiled is the right word. But that’s not really what’s happening in this question. I think, oof. I feel like we could spend; we used to spend a lot more time on this topic of, you know, sort of body image and how to work out and what to do, and I always want to remind people that the secret to all of this is finding the least amount of work you can do possible to maintain healthy body composition and a healthy body weight. And I don’t mean that as a low body weight, I mean a healthy body weight. And not overdoing it. And she’s saying; I hear you talk about excess training. 5’7” and 131, I don’t know what that looks like, but losing your period is telling me that’s not probably enough for you. Either your body fat has gone too low for you, ok, so don’t compare yourself to everyone else.

I know we have a lot of listeners who probably watch the Crossfit games. I’m going to guess a decent percentage of those athletes; this is not a judgment, I don’t know for sure, this is a guess. I’m going to guess a decent percentage of them do not have a period.

Liz Wolfe: I know for sure that at least 2 of them do not.

Diane Sanfilippo: So this is not to say that they are bad people, or wrong, or whatever! They are professional athletes. This is the decision they have made, to sacrifice a portion of their health. They sacrifice a lot of things for what they are doing. Now, if you’re willing to sacrifice your health to have a certain appearance, that’s your choice. But recognize what you’re doing. You cannot have all of these things if your body is telling you that it doesn’t want to reproduce. It’s a sign, at the end of the day, that something is out of balance. I know this is such a hard thing, too, because I’m sure we have plenty of listeners who are dealing with infertility, I know a lot of women who are dealing with it, and we are absolutely not passing judgment on any of that.

{laughs} Now this is turning into an infertility conversation. But it’s one of those things where it is a sign that your body is not, things are not working properly, and really getting to the root of it will help. How many times have we heard the story of the women who get pregnant after something changes in their life? Either they adopt a child, or some other big change happens that relieves stress. So stress comes in a lot of different ways, and what Michelle, what is sounds like she’s doing, is all too much stress for her body.

Liz Wolfe: And I don’t want people to think we’re saying that your ability to have a baby is; no, that whether or not you have a baby is the measure of your health.

Diane Sanfilippo: Right.

Liz Wolfe: That’s not what we’re saying at all. But it’s a basic biological fact that we are programmed to be able to reproduce.

Diane Sanfilippo: Right.

Liz Wolfe: If we want to.

Diane Sanfilippo: Right. I mean, I don’t know that I ever want to have kids, and I’m like, man I wish I didn’t have to have a period. But I know that having mine regularly, that is a sign that I’m healthy. At least in that way. I’m not stressing myself too much. And I have been in a place. I speak from experience. I’ve been in a place where I’ve lost my period. I lost it for, I think at least 2 months. It was probably 2007 and 2008, and I was training for a half marathon. A half marathon, not a marathon. Training for a half marathon, and doing other types of training during the week. Probably was under eating. My body fat was maybe 18%, which is not super low. I talk about it all the time, but I know we have new listeners all the time. I had abs, visible abs. I think I could see a 6-pack at the time. I was super excited about that. But I didn’t have a period. And I didn’t know how unhealthy that one thing really was, but if you pull the camera back and get a wider view at everything that was going on in my life, the low-fat diet I was eating, not enough calories because I was trying to make sure I lost body fat and I was still performing, and running 25 miles a week, and doing all this stuff. From the outside, I looked healthy. I looked strong and ripped or whatever, but I wasn’t healthy. It’s a really hard thing to come to terms with for a lot of people. That looking a certain way often means you’re sacrificing your health.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah. I think that there are some probably nutrition professionals out there that would have answered the actual question in this question, how much do I need to work out to stay in shape and not gain it back.

Diane Sanfilippo: But that’s why people love us!

Liz Wolfe: I can’t! And the other thing is…

Diane Sanfilippo: Well, we have to read between the lines.

Liz Wolfe: Well, yeah, you do. But also, you know, Tracy Anderson is out there proffering nutrition and health advice, and…

Diane Sanfilippo: Ugh.

Liz Wolfe: People are losing their periods. But here’s the thing. You know how kind of passionate I am about people just shedding that BS feeling that they’re not enough in some way. That people are looking at them and judging. And I struggle with it, you know, of course. But if we do anything on this podcast, it’s helping people get to the root of what’s going on.

Diane Sanfilippo: Mm-hmm.

Liz Wolfe: And just for the sake of honesty. I’m sure Tracy Anderson would not look at me and think, oh gosh! Yeah, I should listen to her. Because, you know, she has one type of body, I have another type of body. We have two totally different sets of values. So this approach is not for everyone. But the question that we saw in here was a very different one from the one that was actually asked, and I think it’s just who we are.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: So sorry.

Diane Sanfilippo: Well, I mean, that reminds me of the person who asked on the book tour, what can I snack on at work. And my answer was, why are you so bored at work that you need to be snacking {laughing}

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: And then she writes me, months later, that she quit her job, and that totally hit the nail on the head.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: I was like, drop the mike, thank you very much. But you know, because I think you and I have been there in our own journeys, years ago, we maybe substitute out Tracy Anderson, I don’t think either of us have ever done that approach. But, there is some program that we’ve all followed. I could sub in half-marathon training. You know, I was doing the half marathon training, blah, blah, blah, doing this, this, and this. I could have had the same exact story, just plug in different words. Right?

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: And I could have written this. So I think that’s kind of where we come from, is that we’ve gone through that stage. You and I, also, we have different body types, we have different activities we like to do, but we have both gone through different phases. I know you’ve talked a lot about dieting and doing that way back through college, and kind of earlier times, and I really had that issue more with the way that I trained, and really looking at exercise as this way to kind of manage what I look like. It’s not the same anymore. You have to get to a place. I think that one of the things I’ve learned, as I get older.

Liz Wolfe: Oh my.

Diane Sanfilippo: Well, I’m 36, and a lot has changed with the way that I look at my body in the last 6 years even. And I recognize that the more we can love and accept our own body for what it is, you know, what it looks like, whatever it looks like at the time, and what it can do. If we value what it can do, and being strong and capable, or whatever that is, over some other things. Of course we all want to fit into something cute, and have our cute outfits, or be whatever. The less we judge ourselves, the less we will judge other people, and everybody needs to start doing that. Because, if you’re worried about other people judging the way you look, it’s because you’re judging the way you look, and you’re judging the way they look. And we all need to work on; we all need to hold hands, and sing kumbaya. {laughs} No seriously, we all need to kind of calm down on that.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: Because we have different bodies. I posted some picture; you know, I get my little Stitch Fix thing, and I posted some picture, and someone was like, oh my goodness! I’m so glad to see you have muscular thighs, or something like that. And, somehow, people have this picture that because their listening to me, and they might trust me or want to hear what I have to say, that I then also fulfill this other picture in their head that I’m, I don’t know, tall and thin?

Liz Wolfe: That you’re Tracy Anderson?

Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t know! Some other picture for them that was some ideal. I’m like, no, this is me! I tell you all the time that I’m lifting weights, this is what I do. This is my body, this is my shape. They were happy to see that, that I look like a real person. I’m like, yes, I’m a real person! {laughs} You know? Anyway. Michelle. Michelle.

Liz Wolfe: We love you.

Diane Sanfilippo: You need a hug. We love you for listening.

Liz Wolfe: Keep listening.

Diane Sanfilippo: Do we have more advice for her? I really want her to focus on getting the period back. Do you work out too much? It sounds like it might be too much for you. It sounds like you might need to eat a little more to support that. It’s one or the other; you might need to cut back on the exercise, or eat more, or both. That could be the short answer.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: Right?

Liz Wolfe: And feel free to follow-up with us if we totally missed the point. Feel free. Maybe she lost her period before she started Tracy Anderson, and Tracy Anderson magically brought it back. Maybe I read the timeline wrong. But, we love you. Thanks for listening. I feel like it takes a willingness to stick your neck out to submit a question to a podcast.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yes.

Liz Wolfe: I did it once, to Robb Wolf’s podcast, and when they read it, and I kind of got what I deserved a little bit with the question. {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Ooohhh!

Liz Wolfe: And I was like, eeeehhh! I feel stupid! You know, sitting there in my car cowering. But it takes bravery, so we appreciate everybody that submits these questions.

Diane Sanfilippo: For sure. And I think, you know, we do our best to be as honest as we can in answering the questions, and as I said, read between the lines, too. Because, there’s always more to the story, you know.

Liz Wolfe: And our story is, we’re like 20 seconds short of an hour. Let’s see if I can close it out before we hit 60.’

Diane Sanfilippo: Alright.

Liz Wolfe: That’s it! We’ll be back next week with more questions, I think, or another episode of interviews and questions. If you’ve been enjoying the podcast, please remember to subscribe to the podcast and help us spread the word by leaving a review in iTunes. As always, you can find Diane at http://dianesanfilippo.com, and you can find me at http://realfoodliz.com/. Be sure to join our email lists, where we provide exclusive content to our subscribers that we don’t put anywhere else. Thanks for listening.

Cheers! Diane & Liz  

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