Diane Sanfilippo & Liz Wolfe | Balanced Bites Podcast | Ask Us Anything!

Podcast Episode #300! Ask Us Anything

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  1. Introducing our guest, Cassy Joy Garcia of Fed and Fit [2:46]
  2. Ask us anything: Eat one food for the rest of your life [4:53]
  3. Favorite Real Housewives [6:03]
  4. Least favorite question [6:51]
  5. Least favorite question [6:51]
  6. Earliest riser [7:40]
  7. Best wardrobe [8:19]
  8. The most pushups [9:37]
  9. Most Mean Girl quotes [9:51]
  10. Biggest sweet tooth [10:18]
  11. Better dancer [10:30]
  12. Biggest reader [10:40]
  13. Most artistic [12:22
  14. Most practical [13:15]
  15.  Best impersonations [13:49]
  16. Gluten without consequences [14:31]
  17. Super powers [16:38]
  18. Most embarrassing moment [17:42]
  19. Real Housewives tag line [19:01]
  20. Favorite recipe [19:46]
  21. Underwear under yoga pants [20:45]
  22. Favorite holiday [23:05]
  23. Missed college snacks [24:41]
  24. Someday I want to… [25:54]
  25. Favorite restaurant meal [27:32]
  26. Least favorite aspect of paleo [29:12]
  27. A food you’ve never tried [30:39]
  28. One clothing store to shop in [31:51]
  29. One book that changed you [32:52]
  30. Admire the most in each other [35:55]
  31. Best piece of advice [40:07]
  32. Biggest pet peeve [43:13]
  33. Perfect day [44:37]
  34. What did you want to be when you grew up [46:16]
  35. What takes you out of your comfort zone [47:47]
  36. Favorite Mean Girls character [49:41]
  37. High school makeup [50:07]
  38. One TV show to watch forever [50:39]
  39. Something new you’d like to try [51:32]
  40. Celebrity crush [52:31]
  41. Sex in the City character [53:23]
  42. 5 years ago, where would you be in 5 years [54:36]
  43. Favorite non-work-related hobby [55:31]
  44. Favorite app [57:30]
  45. Building margin in your life [58:12]
  46. How have you changed from episode 1 to 300 [59:44]
  47. Real Housewives tag line [1:02:28]

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Diane Sanfilippo & Liz Wolfe | Balanced Bites Podcast | Ask Us Anything! Diane Sanfilippo & Liz Wolfe | Balanced Bites Podcast | Ask Us Anything! Diane Sanfilippo & Liz Wolfe | Balanced Bites Podcast | Ask Us Anything!

You’re listening to the Balanced Bites podcast episode 300.

Diane Sanfilippo: Welcome to the Balanced Bites podcast. I’m Diane; a certified nutrition consultant, and the New York Times bestselling author of Practical Paleo and The 21-Day Sugar Detox. I live in San Francisco with my husband and fur kids.

Liz Wolfe: I’m Liz; a nutritional therapy practitioner, and author of the Wall Street Journal best-seller Eat the Yolks; The Purely Primal Skincare Guide; and the online program Baby Making and Beyond. I live on a farm in the mystical land of the Midwest, outside of Kansas City.

We’re the co-creators of the Balanced Bites Master Class, and we’ve been bringing you this award winning podcast for 5 years and counting. We’re here to share our take on modern paleo living, answer your questions, and chat with leading health and wellness experts. Enjoy this week’s episode, and submit your questions at http://blog.balancedbites.com or watch the Balanced Bites podcast Instagram account for our weekly calls for questions. You can ask us anything in the comments. Before we get started, let’s hear from one of our sponsors.

Diane Sanfilippo: I recently sat down with Balanced Bites podcast sponsor, Bethany, of Primally Pure Skincare to ask her more about her company and the products that they make.

Ok, we all want to know. What’s your most popular product.

Bethany: Deodorant is definitely our most popular product. It’s one of the most important conventional products for people to ditch, because of all of the toxins hiding in most of the stuff you see at the drugstore. It really does have the potential to do some damage over time. Our deodorant is all natural, and it actually truly does work. We also offer a sensitive option for those who don’t do well with baking soda.

Diane Sanfilippo: Your website talks about products that nourish the skin, body, and self. What do you mean by that?

Bethany: We’re passionate about creating products that promote overall health, and are also enjoyable to use. Self-care is so important to us, and we live in such a go-go-go world that one of our goals is to create products that have the ability to take some stress out of an otherwise hectic day for those who use them.

Diane Sanfilippo: It’s been so great chatting with you. Thank you so much for joining me!

Bethany: Thanks, Diane!

Diane Sanfilippo: Don’t forget Diane’s favorite Primally Pure product is the dry shampoo, and Liz’s favorite is the Everything Spray with magnesium. As a special bonus for you, Primally Pure is offering a free lip balm with your first purchase of one item or more. Simply add a lip balm to your cart along with any one item, and use the code “balancedbites”, one word no caps, during checkout to receive one of their lip balms for free with your order. Head to www.primallypure.com and check out their range of safe and effective all natural skincare products.

1. Introducing our guest, Cassy Joy Garcia of Fed and Fit [2:46]

Liz Wolfe: Hey everyone! It’s me, Liz, here with Diane.

Diane Sanfilippo: Hey.

Liz Wolfe: And a special guest. For this very special 300th episode of the Balanced Bites podcast!

Diane Sanfilippo: That means we’ve been friends for 300 episodes worth of time. How long is that?

Liz Wolfe: That’s probably give or take an hour and 45 minutes per 300 times an hour and 45 minutes. I have no idea.

Diane Sanfilippo: Which one of us is better at math? {laughs} Neither.

Liz Wolfe: Neither. Well this one is going to be really fun. This is going to be a rapid-fire, ask us anything style podcast. We’ve been doing these; I think we did it for 100 and 200. And now we’re doing it for 300. And we’re bringing on our dear friend; Cassy Joy Garcia of the Fed and Fit website, the Fed and Fit book, and all kinds of other amazing health and fitness related endeavors to be found, both at brick and mortar stores, like Barnes and Noble and Amazon and the internet and Instagram. You’re everywhere!

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: And it’s lovely. Thank you for being here and doing this with us.

Cassy Joy: Thank you so much for inviting me. I’m so tickled and honored. And congratulations, you two!

Diane Sanfilippo: 300; can you believe it? You have a podcast too. What episode are you up to?

Cassy Joy: 109.

Diane Sanfilippo: See; can you believe how fast that 109 episodes went?

Cassy Joy: It went fast. {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Crazy.

Cassy Joy: It is crazy. Well I’m really excited about this today. So there are no updates today, ladies, as we want to get through as many of these questions as we can. Diane and Liz have done no prep. So these are on the fly, as I’m going to read them. It’s going to be so much fun. And there are so many questions. {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: I’m scared!

Diane Sanfilippo: And these are at partially Niki on Team Balanced Bites discretion, and partially at Cassy’s discretion. So if anyone is feeling like their question wasn’t asked, we had nothing to do with it. {laughs}

2. Ask us anything: Eat one food for the rest of your life [4:53]

Cassy Joy: {laughs} You can blame me. I’ll handle it. {laughs} Oh man, this is so fun. Ok, well I’m going to kick it off, and I’m going to follow. I really like how Niki outlined these. And if we get to them, there are some extra ones at the end that we can jump to that I thought were really fun. Ok, first question. Number one; if you could eat only one food for the rest of your life, what would it be?

Diane Sanfilippo: You have to tell us…

Liz Wolfe: Who goes first?

Diane Sanfilippo: Who goes first.

Cassy Joy: Oh. Liz. You're first. {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Aw crap. Oh man, roasted plantains? I don’t know. I’ll just stick with that.

Diane Sanfilippo: Are we assuming that this should be healthy probably?

Liz Wolfe: I know. What’s the background here? Is it to be healthy? Or is it to be happy?

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Cassy Joy: {laughs} You know, if you could only eat one food. I would assume you’d want to be healthy. You know, that’s all you got.

Liz Wolfe: Fine. You with your values and your quick deep thinking. Golly gee.

Diane Sanfilippo: Pork chops. Mine’s pork chops.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Pork chops?

Diane Sanfilippo: On the bone. Pork chop. I decided. Favorite food.

Liz Wolfe: Oh man. I don’t know. Pass.

Diane Sanfilippo: You said plantains. We’re moving on.

Cassy Joy: Yeah. Plantains. Got it.

Liz Wolfe: Ok we’re moving on. Pass.

Cassy Joy: Plantains and pork chops. The two of you should have dinner together because that sounds good.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

3. Favorite Real Housewives [6:03]

Cassy Joy: Favorite show out of the Real Housewives of Orange County, New Jersey, Beverly Hills, or Vanderpump Rules. Diane.

Diane Sanfilippo: I have to say New Jersey. But I don’t know that that’s true. I’m going to say it. Real Housewives of New Jersey.

Liz Wolfe: I don’t know.

Cassy Joy: Some table flipping.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. Yeah. {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Well that’s because you're from New Jersey.

Diane Sanfilippo: That’s; yeah.

Liz Wolfe: And those people are like your neighbors.

Diane Sanfilippo: Basically. What’s yours?

Liz Wolfe: I love whichever one is in season. I’m always like, “Oh, this is my favorite!” And then it ends, and then I’m like, “Oh, gearing up for the next one.” What’s coming up next, OC or New Jersey?

Diane Sanfilippo: That wasn’t an answer.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: I know. You're going to have to get used to it. I can’t not provide context. There are no one-word answers in my world.

Diane Sanfilippo: But I love all of those. Ok.

4. Least favorite question [6:51]

Cassy Joy: Ok. Those are good. Ok, Diane, what is your least favorite question to answer?

Diane Sanfilippo: I hate answering favorites questions, frankly.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t have a lot of favorites. I don’t. I have a top 5 sometimes or a top 10. I had gotten to a point where I had top 5 foods, not that I remember what they are now. I ate something recently that I was like; this is a top 5 food. If I really had to boil it down. Now I forget what it was. Obviously couldn’t have been that good that I forgot. {laughs} I don’t like to answer that.

Cassy Joy: Good one. Liz. What is your least favorite question to answer?

Liz Wolfe: Anything that requires a one-word answer, clearly.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: We’re off to a good start.

Cassy Joy: This is going to be a great show! {laughing}

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing}

5. Earliest riser [7:40]

Cassy Joy: Ok. Who wakes up earlier in the morning? Diane or Liz. Liz, when do you wake up.

Liz Wolfe: Oh, me. It’s got to be Liz, right? Because I have an alarm clock that I can’t hit sleep on. This kid.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: What time do you get up?

Liz Wolfe: 5, 6.

Diane Sanfilippo: We pretty much get up at the same time.

Liz Wolfe: Although you are technically earlier because you're in a different time-zone than me. So you’re 2 hours earlier. So if you want to really be a jerk about it.

Diane Sanfilippo: And I would say probably before you had a kid it was probably me. I think I’m just naturally; I wake up annoyingly earlier. And I wish I didn’t.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: Ok.

6. Best wardrobe [8:19]

Cassy Joy: You are an early riser. Ok. I always think about that, because you text me before I would have ever texted you {laughs}. I’m like, “Oh, she’s up. Good!” Ok. Next question. Who has the best closet between Diane and Liz? What do you think Diane?

Diane Sanfilippo: I’m going to say I probably do. Only because of what I know Liz to wear, including only one type of pair of pants and two shirts. But I don’t know what actually is in that closet besides those garments. I mean, I know Liz to have shopped a lot before we went and did events. And she would bring an entire rack of clothing to do a seminar. And then wear the one thing she probably thought she was going to wear anyway.

Liz Wolfe: Yep.

Diane Sanfilippo: But, I would guess me.

Liz Wolfe: 100%.

Diane Sanfilippo: But my closet is probably smaller.

Liz Wolfe: Both in the structure of your closet and the contents of it, you win hands down. And you're right. I only wear studio pants and tank tops. Now that it’s summer I have like 6 of these tank tops you guys can see. I just had a bunch of pairs of studio pants cropped into Bermuda shorts because {laughs} I’m giving up on life and just wearing Bermuda shorts.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: I’m glad that you own that, though.

Liz Wolfe: Mm-hmm.

Diane Sanfilippo: Ok.

7. The most pushups [9:37]

Cassy Joy: Ok. Who can do more pushups; Diane or Liz?

Liz Wolfe: Diane.

Diane Sanfilippo: I’m sure me. Although my pushups are definitely not my strong suit.

8. Most Mean Girl quotes [9:51]

Cassy Joy: {laughs} You're really good at pushups, though. You schooled me before {laughs}. Who can quote the most lines from Mean Girls?

Liz Wolfe: Oooh.

Diane Sanfilippo: Probably…

Liz Wolfe: I’m really good at quoting movies, but it might be pretty equal.

Diane Sanfilippo: I would say Liz might have them down more accurately.

Liz Wolfe: Maybe. That’s just a particular talent that I have. Which is why I haven’t gone anywhere in life. My talents are the exact wrong categories for advancement.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

9. Biggest sweet tooth [10:18]

Cassy Joy: Ok, who has more of a sweet tooth?

Liz Wolfe: Diane?

Diane Sanfilippo: For sure me. For sure. For sure.

10. Better dancer [10:30]

Cassy Joy: Who is a better dancer?

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: I’m not a good dancer.

Liz Wolfe: I don’t think I’ve ever seen you dance.

Diane Sanfilippo: That’s because I’m not a good dancer. {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Neither. Let’s say neither.

11. Biggest reader [10:40]

Cassy Joy: Ok. Who loves to read more? I’m going to say more.

Liz Wolfe: Oh.

Diane Sanfilippo: We don’t need to say more.

Cassy Joy: {laughs} Well it says who loves to read? Do either of you love to read?

Diane Sanfilippo: Not me! I don’t love to read.

Cassy Joy: Oh. Oh. That was easy.

Liz Wolfe: I do love to read. I love to read fiction. Right now I’m reading the Neapolitan series, which is like if you really want to come face to face with your ability to not take on the emotions of characters in a work of fiction; there is no joy in this entire series of 4 books. It’s incredibly well written, and interesting, and absorbing, but it is completely joyless. And it is like an exercise is not getting pulled down into Naples 50 years ago with all of these kids from the neighborhood. So anyway, I highly recommend the series. And I would say I love to read more. {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: I love to learn, so I do love to listen to audio books. But I pretty much despise fiction. I don’t like playing games, and I like fiction. I don’t like make believe, which is why I have trouble playing with kids. I feel like there’s a lot of pretend playing. I’m like, “Come help me make some food in the kitchen and we can really do some work here.” But I think no.

Liz Wolfe: Your best friends were your teachers growing up, wasn’t it?

Diane Sanfilippo: Probably my whole life.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: People who teach me things; and I think that’s why. We’re way too insightful for the one-word questions. First of all. But I think that’s why certain friends of mine I like so much. Like the two of you. Because you teach me things, and I like that. Even if you don’t mean to, you do. So anyway. Hearts for everybody. Mush!

Liz Wolfe: Hearts.

12. Most artistic [12:22]

Cassy Joy: That’s my favorite question so far. Who is more artistic?

Diane Sanfilippo: That would be…

Liz Wolfe: I would say…

Diane Sanfilippo: That would probably be me. You don’t think?

Liz Wolfe: Well I think in very different ways. I’m really good with water color, and sketching. Like that. But you are amazing at graphic design and styling. So I think I would give you the edge there.

Diane Sanfilippo: Ok. I think I might be more creative and have more attention to visual detail, but I think the actual skill of hand to paper artistic ability, I would say you’re probably better. Just because that ability of mine isn’t amazing. So if you think yours is good at all, then it’s going to be better than mine {laughs}.

Liz Wolfe: That is one of my big regrets, is that I never pursued art. Used to be good at it.

13. Most practical [13:15]

Cassy Joy: Who would you say is the more practical one?

Liz Wolfe: Ugh. Ugh. I would want to say Diane.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} I want to say me too. {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: I think I’m more practical.

Liz Wolfe: I mean, I’m not flitty floaty or anything like that.

Diane Sanfilippo: No.

Liz Wolfe: I’m not in the clouds. But I certainly can’t always see the granularity. Or maybe I oversee the granularity of things.

Diane Sanfilippo: You're more idealistic.

Liz Wolfe: Yes. Yes.

Diane Sanfilippo: You're more hopeful and idealistic, and I’m more practical and pragmatic.

Liz Wolfe: Oh, that’s good. Agree.

Diane Sanfilippo: Agree.

14. Best impersonations [13:49]

Cassy Joy: Good answer. Who does the best impressions?

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} Definitely not me.

Liz Wolfe: Me!

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: I know we’re going to have new listeners who are like; I don’t even know who is saying, “Me.” Or “Me.”

Liz Wolfe: Oh it’s so true.

Diane Sanfilippo: But the one with the froggy voice, because I’ve been sick, is Diane. I’m Diane, in case you didn’t know.

Liz Wolfe: I’m Liz, and I do the best impressions. {laughs}

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Of things nobody knows about. Like doing impressions of the original Mash movie characters, from the original Mash movie. It’s completely irrelevant to life, but I do the better impressions.

15. Gluten without consequences [14:31]

Cassy Joy: {laughs} I think I should watch that. Ok, imagine you could have a gluten extravaganza with no consequences. What would you include in your processed carbohydrate smorgasbord. That’s a tough word to say.

Diane Sanfilippo: Do you guys remember the live episode when I said I would like the following donuts.

Liz Wolfe: Yes, I do. I do remember that.

Diane Sanfilippo: I’ve been on a hunt for gluten free donuts for like 2 years. And I keep getting shut down by places not being open when I think I want to try and go there, which is miserable. But probably pizza and donuts. And some croissants. Multiple croissants. I don’t know what else.

Liz Wolfe: Alright, so this is Liz, and my answer is I basically just had a gluten-stravaganza with no consequences, and I’ll tell you what was in it. We went to the lake over Memorial Day weekend, and I had; they called it the hangover sandwich. And it was an egg sandwich on regular bread. I had several locally made lagers; beers. I had some beers. And then I also had a bite of some sliders. I guess that’s not necessarily gluten-stravaganza. Oh, and I had a pancake with a fried egg on it.

Diane Sanfilippo: This is so boring.

Liz Wolfe: And I’m good to go. And I Instagrammed about it, too. Not trying to hide it from anybody.

Diane Sanfilippo: You did?

Liz Wolfe: I got some feedback on that from people that were aghast that I would eat a pancake and have a beer. But I did put it on my Instagram stories. So not trying to hide anything. I generally can get away with that stuff. I generally don’t do it. But I’m pretty fine with it.

Diane Sanfilippo: I thought of another gluten food I really want. Anything with phyllo dough.

Liz Wolfe: Cake donuts would have been mine, probably. If they had had cake donuts I probably would have gone for it.

Diane Sanfilippo: Oh. Like apple cider ones with cinnamon or something? That seems like something you would like.

Liz Wolfe: Blueberry cake donuts. Chocolate cake donuts. Any kind of cake donut.

Diane Sanfilippo: I would like some spanakopita.

Liz Wolfe: Spanakopita!

Diane Sanfilippo: I really want spanakopita, actually. I really miss that. Please someone deliver me some spanakopita without gluten. Anyway.

16. Super powers [16:38]

Cassy Joy: Good answers. I’m hungry. Ok, if you could have one super power what would it be?

Liz Wolfe: Ugh! You're going to have to say names, because otherwise I’m just going to start talking.

Cassy Joy: Ok, Liz.

Liz Wolfe: Ok. I wanted to say reading people’s minds but then I changed my mind because that would make me completely, completely crazy. I would have to say the ability to time travel so I could go back and get some historical context for some of the ridiculous things that are happening in the world today.

Diane Sanfilippo: That’s interesting.

Cassy Joy: That’s an awesome answer. Diane?

Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t know that I really have one that that’s thoughtful. But in my dreams quite often, and I actually think I dreamt about it again last night, I can run and start flapping my arms and then I fly.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: So I feel like I might want to fly. Just have my arms work like bird wings and just get myself from here to there. By myself.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah. Like it.

17. Most embarrassing moment [17:42]

Cassy Joy: Very cool. Ok. Liz. What is your most embarrassing moment?

Liz Wolfe: {gasp} Oh, I don’t know if I can tell it on national podcast. So…

Cassy Joy: Number two? {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: I don’t know if I can tell that one either.

Diane Sanfilippo: Wait. So, can I just recount something embarrassing that you told us about on the podcast a long time ago that actually happened to me recently, though not in the same exact setting? You told a story. I didn’t even wait for you to give me permission.

Liz Wolfe: Me, Liz? Or Cassy?

Diane Sanfilippo: Liz. You told a story a couple of years ago where you were, I think at the grocery store and a pair of underwear kind of fell out of your pants.

Liz Wolfe: Oh, yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: And you were like, oh, whoops. I guess I forgot to take those apart from my pants before I put the pants on again. Well, a couple of weekends ago going to Memorial Day. Not Memorial Day barbecue because that was just recently. Just going to a barbecue at my friend’s house, I was sitting in the car after she picked me up, and I was like; “What is this lump behind my knee?” {laughs} I realized that there was an extra pair of underwear still in there from wearing those pants the day before.

Liz Wolfe: Ha-ha.

Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t embarrass easily though. I think something happened recently, and I thought to myself, “This would be a good answer for a most embarrassing moment.” And then I forgot what it was, so. Couldn’t have been that bad.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

18. Real Housewives tag line [19:01]

Cassy Joy: Ok. So, what would be your Real Housewives tag line? Have you guys ever imagined this? I love this question.

Liz Wolfe: Oh man. I have, and why can I not think of anything right now?! Do you have one Diane?

Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t. Oh, shoot. I think we’re going to need to noodle on that. And then come back and answer it.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: Give us a minute and then at the end. Oh, that’s a good question though.

Cassy Joy: It is a good question.

Diane Sanfilippo: But I do like Bethany’s current one, that’s like, “If you're going to mess with this B…”

Liz Wolfe: No, “If you're going to come for this B…”

Diane Sanfilippo: Oh shoot. See?

Liz Wolfe: “If you're going to aim for this B, or if you're going to come for this B, you better not miss.” Something like that.

Diane Sanfilippo: We both messed that one up.

19. Favorite recipe [19:46]

Cassy Joy: {laughs} we’ll come back to it. I highlighted it. Ok, y’all think about it. If you had to choose just one, what would you say is your all-time favorite recipe that you love to make. Diane?

Diane Sanfilippo: Hmm.

Liz Wolfe: Paleo or not paleo?

Cassy Joy: Either.

Liz Wolfe: Ok.

Diane Sanfilippo: A recipe?

Liz Wolfe: Diane has 50 million recipes.

Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t cook from recipes! I really don’t.

Liz Wolfe: I’ll give you mine. I’ll give you mine.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah, you tell us.

Liz Wolfe: Well, I don’t know if I have an all-time favorite recipe that I love to make, because I don’t love to cook. But chicken molé is something I would love to be able to make on a regular basis for myself. So good.

Diane Sanfilippo: That’s good. This is a favorite question so {raspberry} that’s what I think about favorite questions. {laughs} I don’t know. I don’t know. Brittany Angell’s extra crispy waffles. That’s a recipe I follow. Because I don’t know how to do that without a recipe. There.

20. Underwear under yoga pants [20:45]

Cassy Joy: Good one. That’s a great recipe. What are your opinions on underwear under yoga and athletic pants/tights/leggings? Liz?

Liz Wolfe: Always underwear! Always! I mean, even if it’s a thong. I do not understand, and Scott might have to take this out. What do people do with drippage when they’re not wearing underwear? I do not understand it!

Diane Sanfilippo: Dying right now.

Liz Wolfe: It does not if your bladder is rock solid and you're not sneeze-peeing. No matter who you are, you have; it’s like, you can’t stop your armpits from sweating. You can’t stop your {party favor} from moving stuff. It’s normal, it’s natural, it’s a good thing. What do people do with that?

Diane Sanfilippo: Hmm. Well. Alternatively. {laughs} I only wear underwear with those types of pants if I’m wearing them as pants out in the world, as opposed to the gym. So if I’m wearing them to the gym, they’re going to get so sweaty and disgusting anyway, that I wear them for that couple of hours then those pants basically serve as underwear and then I’m moving on with my life. I’m definitely a sit on the towel person, wipe the seat at the gym. I don’t know that that extra single layer is helping much, because I sweat like a beast. But if I’m going to wear yoga pants kind of just around town and whatever, then yes.

Liz Wolfe: I wear underwear under shorts with built-in underwear.

Diane Sanfilippo: Well that’s your problem! I don’t really know what to tell you.

Liz Wolfe: Well, ok. Here’s a question, Diane. Do you do the bend over test with your leggings?

Diane Sanfilippo: No, I don’t care.

Liz Wolfe: To make sure that they’re not see through.

Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t care.

Liz Wolfe: Because I’ve had that happen in a yoga class before.

Diane Sanfilippo: I’ve seen other people at a CrossFit class, and I’m like, whatever. It’s just a line. Everybody’s got one. There’s really not much to see there.

Liz Wolfe: That’s true. It’s just bodies. It’s true though. It’s just bodies. No big deal. I don’t need to be a prude about it. OK, wait, Cassy, I want to know. Underwear or no underwear?

Cassy Joy: I’m a no underwear. I just kind of treat them like underwear. And I’m with Diane. I wear them for maybe 2 hours and then I change.

Diane Sanfilippo: I mean that’s a lie; let’s face it. We get home from the class and we’re still wearing them while we work. But I treat them like underwear. I don’t wear them again if I wore them to the gym. Next; they’re getting washed.

Liz Wolfe: Alright, fine.

Diane Sanfilippo: Ok. Well.

21. Favorite holiday [23:05]

Cassy Joy: {laughs} Boy that was a good one. Ok, what is each of your favorite holidays? Birthdays don’t count. Liz.

Liz Wolfe: Hands down; well, it’s not even Christmas. It’s the lead-in to the Christmas season. It’s the decorations, and the pine tree smell, and the music, and 24-hours of a Christmas story. All of that, consumerist BS that has nothing to do with the holiday in the first place. That’s what I love.

Diane Sanfilippo: I like Thanksgiving. I like the food. I like making gravy. I like having a Friendsgiving dinner and having random friends over because we don’t always get together with family at that time of year. Because I have a strictly no traveling at the holidays policy. I refuse to do it. Because we travel so much otherwise. But I love Thanksgiving.

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22. Missed college snacks [24:41]

Cassy Joy: Awesome. Is there one food that you guys ate in college that you miss sometimes. She or he said, “Think Cheetos, Chips Ahoy, Hershey’s candies, Lay’s, etc.” Diane.

Diane Sanfilippo: I mean, everything.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Scott and I often talk about snacks that we used to mow down when we were younger. At least once a year we have the conversation and reminisce about snacks. Combos make the list quite often. Remembering Combos.

Liz Wolfe: Oh, like those little fake pigs in blankets?

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah, it’s like a pretzel, a mini pretzel log thing with cheese inside. Pizza flavored, and nacho flavored. Cassy looks like she has no idea what we’re talking about. I don’t know if that’s a Texas thing, or that’s an, “I’m a decade older than you,” thing, but something.

Cassy Joy: I have no idea. Liz, what would be your favorite food you miss from college days.

Liz Wolfe: Oh, hands down pizza with ranch dressing for dipping from The Wheel in Lawrence, Kansas. Very specific. That is absolutely it.

23. Someday I want to… [25:54]

Cassy Joy: Awesome. Ok, fill in the blank. Someday I want to blank, and they want to know why. Some day you want to do blank. Liz.

Liz Wolfe: Someday I want to get out of my own head and live my life. {laughs} But this is probably supposed to be more fun. Someday I want to go back to Greece. Someday I want to go on a beach vacation. Someday I want to build a house from the ground up. Someday I want to cook a decent meal for my family. I’ve got a lot of them. I want to be a poet. I want to be a painter.

Diane Sanfilippo: Write my own songs. Produce my own songs. {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: {laughing}

Diane Sanfilippo: This is just movie quoting.

Liz Wolfe: Yep.

Diane Sanfilippo: See, this is why Liz and I are friends. {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t have one. I don’t know. I don’t know, that’s terrible but I don’t. This is so obnoxious, but I feel really content. So I don’t have a someday I want to. I feel like I try to live someday now. So maybe my someday a month ago would have been someday I want to buy a house in San Francisco, but we just did that, so I’m too focused on the present right now, at least, to answer that differently.

Liz Wolfe: Someday I want to answer a question, that exact question, exactly how Diane just answered it.

Diane Sanfilippo: Give it like 5 more years. I mean, I really think being my age does some weird things to you. Besides the gray baby hairs.

Liz Wolfe: Diane is so old.

Diane Sanfilippo: I am! Those years; that’s a lot of years.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: It gives you gray baby hairs without even having had a baby. Anyway.

24. Favorite restaurant meal [27:32]

Cassy Joy: Ok. Another favorites question; brace yourself Diane. Favorite restaurant meal you’ve ever had. Liz?

Liz Wolfe: Oh, my.

Cassy Joy: The pizza? {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Oh my goodness. Favorite restaurant meal you’ve ever had. I think the Farmhouse in Kansas City does an amazing job. I don’t even remember what meal we had, but it was when you guys were in town with Juli from PaleOMG and we did our book signing. And I had an incredible meal from the Farmhouse.

Diane Sanfilippo: It was just that the company was so great.

Liz Wolfe: And I don’t even remember what it was because we were talking the whole time. But it was delicious, and anybody who comes through Kansas City should stop by the Farmhouse.

Diane Sanfilippo: Oh, this is so snooty of me. But it’s just what I can think of. I don’t even want to say. When we were in France, was it not this past winter but the one before. I don’t even know when we went. Or was it the summer? I can’t tell when anything happens anymore. When you live in San Francisco, you lose track of time. Anywho. Just because the seasons don’t change here, so you’re like, “I don’t know when it was.” But when we went to France, we ate at this place that was a winery. And it could have been at Napa or Sonoma; it kind of looked like a place that could have been there. I’ll try and find out the name of it for anyone who is going. But it was a meal outside, and myself and Scott and actually our friends Mira and Jayson Calton, and it was this beautiful multi-course meal. I don’t know; everything just tasted amazing. They were super accommodating to allergies and whatnot. And it was just a beautiful day. That’s probably my favorite memory of that whole trip, too. It was in France somewhere.

25. Least favorite aspect of paleo [29:12]

Cassy Joy: That’s awesome. That’s magical. What would you; do you have a least favorite thing about eating paleo? Diane?

Diane Sanfilippo: Well I don’t even consider myself paleo these days. So not really. Not in terms of restrictions. I would say in terms of knowing things that are healthy versus not, my least favorite thing is that restaurants, even some of my favorites, still use things like soybean oil. My heart is just hurting over the fact that Souvla fries their French fries in soybean oil and then tosses them in olive oil. And I’m like, “What self-respecting Greek person does that?”

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: So I think I need to have a conversation with them about that. But I digress. They could charge me a dollar more for those fries and cook them in olive oil, and I would pay a dollar more every single time for them. Because they’re the best fries in San Francisco. I like French fries.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Anyway. What about you Liz?

Liz Wolfe: My, well, if you were to ask me this when I first started eating paleo it would have been there’s no freaking dairy in paleo. Give me all the dairy. But as many people know, I pretty much do my own thing these days. I come back to paleo as a baseline when I need it. But I really think that as long as you look at it like a framework and not a set of rules, you can pretty much not worry about this kind of thing.

26. A food you’ve never tried [30:39]

Cassy Joy: Liz, is there one food you’ve never had the chance to eat but would love to try if you ever did have the chance?

Liz Wolfe: Oh my goodness. Wow. No, I’m just not that cultured. I mean, maybe at some point I’d like to try foie gras. Just to have the experience. But I don’t know what foods are out there that I haven’t had.

Diane Sanfilippo: You would like foie gras.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah?

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. But that’s very; it’s un-PC to even want to eat it or something.

Liz Wolfe: I’m pretty sure I’ve had haggis before. There are a lot of weird things that I would like to try, and I’m pretty sure I took a bite of haggis when I was studying abroad in Scotland. But that’s pretty much all I got there.

Diane Sanfilippo: I’m going to take this in a different direction and kind of go back to the gluten question, too. I’m pretty sure I want to try a cronut.

Cassy Joy: {Laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: I want to have the little tea cakes we had during sorority rush at Kai Omega that we had on that last day. I just want to eat an entire box of them.

Cassy Joy: That sounds awesome.

Liz Wolfe: And I would do that if I knew where they were from.

27. One clothing store to shop in [31:51]

Cassy Joy: {laughs} Ok, if you could shop at one clothing store the rest of your life, what would it be?

Diane Sanfilippo: I think we should do like a 1, 2, 3 answer to this question, because I feel like we’re going to have the same answer.

Cassy Joy: Ok, ready. One… {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Based on what Liz is wearing. Ready?

Cassy Joy: Two. Three.

Both: Lululemon.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: I’m pretty sure.

Liz Wolfe: And you know what though, what’s sad about that. I really do want to find more sustainable pieces of clothing. More, I don’t know, capsule wardrobe type pieces. But nothing fits my butt or my long legs. So I have to wear studio pants all day. Every day.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. I mean, Athleisure, all the way. I’m no longer a “leggings are not pants” person. Leggings are completely pants.

Liz Wolfe: Yes, they are.

Diane Sanfilippo: I regret the day I said leggings are not pants.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: See, that was my young 30-something self said things like that. See what happens in the next few years? You learn a lot. I’m just saying you guys. Perspective.

28. One book that changed you [32:52]

Cassy Joy: {laughs} That is an important perspective. What is one book that changed the way your life or the way you thought about something? Liz.

Liz Wolfe: What is one book that changed my life or the way I thought about something? Goodness gracious. This is the type of thing where I need more time to think about this stuff. Because I think there have been some pretty amazing books that I’ve read in my life. However. And it wasn’t even that well-written of a book. But I just talked about it on the Balanced Bites podcast recently. It’s not all that well-written, it’s not entirely; there’s not a flow to it, but it’s not fiction.

Diane Sanfilippo: Sell it here, Liz. I’m just saying. {laughs}

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: What?

Diane Sanfilippo: Don’t oversell it or anything.

Liz Wolfe: I know. It’s the one tidbit I took from it that has been so profoundly impactful for me recently, and it’s the book that Kristine Rudolph from Exploring Wellness; Kristine Rudolph, Exploring Wellness recommended to me called Back in Control, a Surgeon’s Roadmap out of Chronic Pain. It’s not like a joy read. It’s not something you take to the beach to enjoy. But it just taught me a lot at a time when I really needed it.

Diane Sanfilippo: Well, I think if I’m speaking honestly as I always do. And something that was super relevant most recently that I could think of, Better Than Before. And not even so much the book, but the whole framework that came from it. From Gretchen Rubin. Because we obsessively talk about this stuff now in all of the work that we do. But what that did for me, not only in my personal life and my relationship with Scott. I mean, it didn’t change so much in our relationship, it just continues to help us have better communication. Which we always take all these personality tests and all of that to help with that. But it helped a lot with my team. And there are 7, 8 depending on the week or the month of us meeting every single week and talking and working on projects. And that really has helped the communication and relationships on the team, on team Balanced Bites, and for me that’s life changing. Because that’s my team. Those are my women who we work together all the time, and the energy that we all have together is a huge part of my life.

And I joke about it being a bit of a parenting situation, because when we talk every single week. The women on the team who are moms are like, yeah, that is kind of what you're doing. You're not trying to tell us what to do, but you want to lead us in a certain way or direction or what have you. So anyway, learning more about myself. Any book that teaches me better how to deal with myself, because I consider myself a very difficult person to deal with. Any book that teaches me more about how to do that, and how to interact better with people around me, is for me life changing, no matter how small the little piece of insight is. A small piece of insight for me opens up a whole new world of thoughts and feelings and actions. So there’s that.

29. Admire the most in each other [35:55]

Cassy Joy: Awesome. Ok, I really like this question. What quality do you admire the most in each other? Liz.

Liz Wolfe: I admire a lot of things about Diane. I admire how she’s not going to take offense to this thing that I’m about to say. But that she can dish it out as much as she can take it. You can offer really targeted constructive criticism, and really just revolutionary advice to people for business stuff and for life stuff. And you can also take advice. You don’t think that you're the only person in the world that has an idea about how something should be done. And you just don’t see that; people who are able to give confident, helpful, amazing advice. But also be soft enough and open enough to also hear. And to also ask for help. And you're also a really good listener.

Diane Sanfilippo: I thought I was muted that whole time and I wasn’t.

Liz Wolfe: Was that good, did you like that?

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. That was really nice.

Liz Wolfe: Or are you offended?

Diane Sanfilippo: No. Why would I be offended? You know how hard it is to offend me. It’s almost impossible to offend me.

Liz Wolfe: That’s another thing I like about you.

Diane Sanfilippo: Thank you. I like how thoughtful you are, and how willing you are to give me advice and feedback when I ask. Because people are often afraid to do that, and I think that what a lot of people don’t understand is that if I’m asking, it means I want to know. Because I think a lot of times, people ask for advice but they don’t really want it or they don’t really take it.

Liz Wolfe: Yes!

Diane Sanfilippo: And I don’t admire that quality in other people. Don’t ask me and waste all of our time if you don’t actually want to know. It basically becomes small talk, and I don’t like small talk. But those are things I admire in you. And I think, I don’t know. Just how thoughtful you are about things, and smart, and wanting and willing to continue to dig and learn and find out more about all different kinds of things. So I think that’s part of what makes us friends. We both enjoy that process. But we are so different in the ways that we move through the world as a result of that.

Liz Wolfe: Here’s another one. You and I have really, really tough conversations as friends, and nobody takes offense. We can say; “Hey, that pissed me off.” Or, “Hey, I think you need to look at this another way.” And it is always an adult conversation. It’s never, we’re coming away mad at each other. It’s like, let’s work through this and work it out. And I love that. Because I think that’s rare. And some female friendships. So I really appreciate that too.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. I think that’s a good lesson for everyone. Part of it is that my personality is sometimes known as the challenger. I like to challenge things, whether it’s myself or other people. But often people back down from that, and I do admire when someone doesn’t back down, and I do have quite a few long-term good friends who don’t back down from things. Because it’s not about arguing, or me being right. It’s about most of the time, I truly want to be convinced where I’m wrong. Because I think I am, even though I’ve done something that I felt good about in the moment. But sometimes I did something wrong, and I really want you to show me how it was wrong from another perspective. And that’s something that we do. And we do have conversations that are very much like conversations I would have with Scott. It’s obviously not in a romantic way, but in a, “This is so important we talk about it because we care that much about our friendship.” Even though we are mostly never in the same place.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: We just have a closer relationship than I have with most people in that way.

Liz Wolfe: Who would have thought, at episode number 1?

Diane Sanfilippo: What a love fest.

Liz Wolfe: I know.

30. Best piece of advice [40:07]

Cassy Joy: {laughs} I love that. Ok, next question. What is the best; kind of in tune with this. But what is the best piece of advice you’ve ever been given? Liz?

Liz Wolfe: Oh man. This is. Ok. The best piece of advice I’ve ever been given, and I’ve said this before on the podcast, is whatever it is in your life that you are beating yourself up about, just forgive yourself that. Find a way to forgive yourself that and move on. And that is a constant thing for me. It’s not something I’ve got in the bag. But we have to be willing to be soft with ourselves and forgive ourselves to find the space to move forward in life.

Diane Sanfilippo: So I don’t know that this is advice that was given to me personally. And I keep forgetting; I think it’s a Maya Angelou thing. But I learned it from Oprah.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs} Maya Angelou via Oprah Winfrey.

Diane Sanfilippo: I learned a lot from Oprah. And in hindsight, I realize where I got a lot of, I think what’s in my own mind and self-confidence, I really think came from my 4 o’clock church of Oprah. Which, don’t take that wrong way you guys. Some people get all bent out of shape. It is what it is. Every day, at 4 o’clock, I was watching Oprah. But Maya Angelou says when people show you who they are, believe them the first time. And I think that’s true to both the positive and the negative, unfortunately. And I think sometimes people take things personally in a negative way when they’re ignoring who that person is and always has been from the positive side. It’s like, I don’t know why we make someone out to be this bad guy when they’ve always ever said, this is who I am. And sometimes we just take something out of context or take it the wrong way. And I think to that point, Liz. That was kind of what we were talking about. If we ever say something that’s upsetting or whatever. We believe each other that we are for each other, and we love and care about each other as friends. So we don’t take it that way and we have a conversation and we give each other the benefit of the doubt. And at the same time, when someone shows you that they are a snake from the beginning, they’ll prove themselves to be a snake over and over again. Even though we sometimes want to see the best in them. We have to just stay away. Anyway. I’ve definitely learned that lesson. But I think that is something worth remembering.

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31. Biggest pet peeve [43:13]

Cassy Joy: Awesome. Ok. What would you say is your biggest pet peeve? Liz.

Liz Wolfe: Snoring! Snoring. It’s just snoring.

Cassy Joy: {laughs} Is it? Ok.

Diane Sanfilippo: Alright. If I’m being quick about it like this one, probably loud chewing. Loud chewing and slurping. I’m not one of those “really icked out by the sounds of people eating” people, but.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs} People eating people?

Diane Sanfilippo: People eating people is definitely not a good thing.

Liz Wolfe: {laughing}

Diane Sanfilippo: But I actually think my bigger pet peeve is people acting stupid or disempowered when they ask certain questions. And I believe that that is happening. I believe that people are like, “Well I don’t know.” And I really honestly believe that they know they have the ability to look for information and they’re just being lazy about it. And I’m sorry if that upsets people. Actually, I’m not sorry. It’s going to upset people. And you’ll be offended. And then you’ll realize that you did have that power. So it’s a pet peeve of mine when people give me power that I don’t deserve and haven’t earned, and it shouldn’t be mine. And it’s yours. That’s a pet peeve of mine. Sorry that that went really deep after the snoring comment. But it is a pet peeve. It just bugs the poop out of me.

32. Perfect day [44:37]

Cassy Joy: OK, what would you say, if you could describe your perfect day, what does it look like? Liz.

Liz Wolfe: “I would say April 25th.”

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Everybody knew that was coming. Everybody knew that was coming. My perfect day is 72 degrees and sunny, light breeze, sitting outside on an either screened in porch or just some place nice and having absolutely nothing to do. Except for maybe drink sparkling rosé.

Diane Sanfilippo: My perfect day sounds like it’s happening somewhere at the same time. Because I’m down with that temperature situation. Probably somewhere where I’m on a beach but in the shade. And there’s a pool. And there’s a lot of ceviche and probably some kind of tropical drink. Even though I don’t drink that much. That sounds pretty good. And my husband is there.

Liz Wolfe: She’s like dropping different variables into this perfect day.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah I’m picturing.

Liz Wolfe: Boom! Drink. Pool.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah, it’s like one of those home renovation shows where they slide in the furniture in those little before and after things. {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: {laughs} Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: I mean, how do they do that?

Liz Wolfe: See I don’t like pools. I would do a beach.

Diane Sanfilippo: I probably won’t even go into the pool but I like the option.

Liz Wolfe: Ok.

Diane Sanfilippo: So I don’t have to go into the salt water.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah, that’s fair.

Diane Sanfilippo: I know. It’s totally ridiculous. And yeah. I don’t know. But honestly, I’m really not that; I like to do boring things. The weather is most important. Sunny. 70-72. That’s good. They were expecting something other than that, but that’s ok.

33. What did you want to be when you grew up [46:16]

Cassy Joy: {laughs} When you were younger, what did you want to be when you grew up? Liz?

Liz Wolfe: I think I wanted to be an artist. I’m pretty sure. I’m telling you, I was good. I was a good little artist. I had my kindergarten artwork in the RND forum. If that’s any indication of how good I was. I think I wanted to be something artistic and I think I kind of lost faith that that was something people could do. So I never did. My dad was really great at art too. So that’s probably what it was.

Diane Sanfilippo: That’s interesting.

Liz Wolfe: Other than a princess, an actress, a scientist.

Diane Sanfilippo: You're saying that as if everybody wanted to be those things.

Liz Wolfe: Everybody wants to be everything when they’re little.

Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t remember much other than wanting to be a teacher because my mom was a teacher, and I always loved dittos. And I would make little handouts for my friends. I don’t even know that there was anything on them. But I just remember. How dumb is that? That is basically what I do.

Liz Wolfe: No, it makes so much sense. You liked making handouts? That’s what you do.

Diane Sanfilippo: I know! That is what I do. But, I mean, come on. If I’m 6 years old, shouldn’t I have a little bit more of a creative fun vision of my life than having people sit at these little desks and giving them a hand out? {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: That’s what makes you special.

Diane Sanfilippo: I’m so dorky. But I can’t really think of much other than that.

34. What takes you out of your comfort zone [47:47]

Cassy Joy: That’s a good one. What takes you out of your comfort zone?

Liz Wolfe: Diane. No, that was my answer. Diane takes me out of my comfort zone.

Cassy Joy: Oh. {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: {laughs} Being a mom. Being a mom. Being a mom. I am miles out of my comfort zone. I’m in another solar system at this point.

Diane Sanfilippo: I’m out of my comfort zone honestly; maybe this sounds weird. But if I were to show up somewhere. Let’s just say it’s a barbecue and it’s someone’s friends, and literally it’s like 10 couples and they all have kids. Because I don’t have anything to talk about with people, and they’re all talking about this thing. I literally feel like an absolute outsider. Not only that; I don’t have anything to offer to the conversation. Much like they wouldn’t be interested in talking about entrepreneurship or any of the stuff that we do all the time. I don’t have anything to add to that conversation. So when I feel like I can’t talk to people because I can’t relate, I’m really out of my comfort zone at that point.

I also was very out of my comfort zone day 1 at the Beautycounter conference when there’s this giant conference going on, and a lot of people there recognized me. So they would be like, “Hey Diane!” And I didn’t know to expect that. So it’s like people were kind of looking at me from the side. Versus if we have an event and I know I’m going to walk in and people are going to be looking at me. But when people are looking at me and I didn’t know that was going to happen, and being the audience versus on the stage. That’s uncomfortable for me. Which is so weird. I don’t know. Whatever that means.

35. Favorite Mean Girls character [49:41]

Cassy Joy: That’s a good answer. We talked about that a little bit while we were there. Ok, favorite Mean Girls character? Liz.

Liz Wolfe: It’s got to be Janice Ian. “Your mom’s chest hair!”

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} Regina George.

Liz Wolfe: Of course.

Diane Sanfilippo: I mean, yeah.

Liz Wolfe: Nope. Don’t qualify it. That’s all you get.

Diane Sanfilippo: That’s it. That’s it.

Liz Wolfe: Regina George.

Diane Sanfilippo: Mm-hmm.

Liz Wolfe: Everybody can think what they want.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Regina George is flawless.

36. High school makeup [50:07]

Cassy Joy: Girls, do you have a regrettable high school makeup routine?

Diane Sanfilippo: All of them.

Cassy Joy: Any racoon eyes lurking in your past?

Liz Wolfe: High school is the reason why I have no eyebrows to grow out. {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: You have eyebrows.

Liz Wolfe: Barely. Barely do I have eyebrows.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah, that would probably be it though. Would be the plucking. Not so much makeup.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t think I wore a ton of makeup in high school. Looking back at photos, I had a pretty natural look. Although I was wearing makeup. I don’t know.

37. One TV show to watch forever [50:39]

Cassy Joy: If you could choose only one TV show to watch forever, what would it be. Liz.

Liz Wolfe: Andy Griffith Show. Black and white’s only.

Cassy Joy: You have such an old soul. {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: I do. I do.

Diane Sanfilippo: I’d probably watch The Office.

Liz Wolfe: That is an excellent one.

Diane Sanfilippo: I was quoting…

Liz Wolfe: Or Parks and Rec.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. But I think the Office is slightly more timeless. I was quoting Kevin yesterday, and then Scott and I were like, “we have to watch that again.” I don’t know if it’s just one episode he does this or it’s just a think that Kevin does all the time on the show. Where he goes, “Nice.”

Liz Wolfe: {laughing}

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Nice.

Liz Wolfe: Nice.

Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t know what it is.

Liz Wolfe: Bouncy house.

Diane Sanfilippo: Anyway. Nice.

38. Something new you’d like to try [51:32]

Cassy Joy: What is something new that you would like to try? Diane.

Liz Wolfe: You're asking the lady that has done like trapeze lessons.

Cassy Joy: I know! {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Like.

Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t know what that means. I don’t know

Cassy Joy: You need to think about it?

Diane Sanfilippo: Something new I’d like to try? No. Got nothing.

Cassy Joy: Liz.

Liz Wolfe: I’d like to try some kind of self-defense or functional class. Like a fitness class but has translatable properties to the real world. Self-defense. Punching. Kicking. And maybe intramural soccer, actually.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} Is this quoting a movie? What is that?

Liz Wolfe: No! Literally that was an honest answer.

Diane Sanfilippo: I do want to try Pilates. Like, on the machine thing.

Liz Wolfe: Yogalates.

Diane Sanfilippo: I want to try that. I just, I don’t have time for that yet right now. But yeah, I want to try it. New to me, at least it would be.

39. Celebrity crush [52:31]

Cassy Joy: Who would you say is your celebrity crush? Liz.

Liz Wolfe: Jake Ryan.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: What’s his real name? Ryan Schoeffling. He’s probably 65 by now.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah, he’s probably so old. Celebrity crush? I don’t. Hmm.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t know.

Liz Wolfe: It could be male or female.

Diane Sanfilippo: Oh, Erika Jayne. Obviously.

Liz Wolfe: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can I go back and change mine?

Diane Sanfilippo: I mean, I just couldn’t love her more.

Liz Wolfe: No.

Diane Sanfilippo: I just couldn’t. She just is so; I was watching Watch What Happens Live the other day, and she just walks out on stage. She just owns the place. I just love her. Yeah. There you go. She’s a minor celebrity.

40. Sex in the City character [53:23]

Cassy Joy: {laughs} Which Sex in the City character do you identify with the most?

Liz Wolfe: This is Liz. People always told me I was the Miranda, which used to make me sad. But my relationship choices in a lot of ways probably mirrored Carrie’s for a good chunk of my life. Just a complete disaster.

Diane Sanfilippo: I would have called you a Charlotte.

Liz Wolfe: Me?!

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah.

Liz Wolfe: Ok.

Diane Sanfilippo: She always came off as really demure, but she really wasn’t entirely demure. But I didn’t know you when you were younger. I actually never knew you before you were even married.

Liz Wolfe: That’s true. I’m definitely not a Samantha.

Diane Sanfilippo: I’m for sure a Miranda. Obviously.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: But I think I, of course, as most of us perhaps wanted to be a Carrie.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: But she was a little too cray in that whole; I mean, Mr. Big really should not have lasted that long in all those breakups.

Liz Wolfe: And she shouldn’t have ended up with him either. That was like; “Ok. I thought I was coming to hate this show in hindsight, but now I really hate this show in hindsight.”

Diane Sanfilippo: But I still of course love it. So there’s that.

Liz Wolfe: Absolutely.

Diane Sanfilippo: And I love my SJP. So there’s also that.

41. 5 years ago, where would you be in 5 years [54:36]

Cassy Joy: Ok, next question. 5 years ago, what did you think you’d be doing in 5 years? And how is your life different from that now? I chose this one. {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: No idea. No idea. I never see that far ahead. I literally only see like the next 6 months. And I think I’ve always been that way. I don’t think that far ahead, sorry to say.

Cassy Joy: Liz?

Liz Wolfe: I had no expectations and no plans. I just kind of went with it. And I can’t tell you I had any clue. But I would say 5 years ago, I definitely didn’t think I’d be working on a parenting program for people and actually having goals, and like a plan, and things like that. So I can see that I’ve changed. But I certainly didn’t see it coming 5 years ago.

42. Favorite non-work-related hobby [55:31]

Cassy Joy: I like it. What is your favorite hobby that you do unrelated to your line of work? Diane.

Diane Sanfilippo: I don’t know what that even means.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Cassy Joy: Do you have a hobby? {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Do I?

Cassy Joy: That’s unrelated to your work?

Diane Sanfilippo: Do I? You guys would know better than I would.

Liz Wolfe: I think you wrapped it all together. You love to cook and workout.

Diane Sanfilippo: I think that’s the thing that people could maybe learn. If you want to be doing stuff that you don’t feel like it’s work, then finding a way to make things that feel like a hobby into a business is cool. Although turning cooking into a business kind of ruined it for me at the time, so maybe that wasn’t the best direction. But I honestly, I really love to cook. So that is a hobby of mine. And I don’t really know; I don’t know what other hobbies I have. I mean, maybe that makes me sound super boring. But I like doing house projects, and painting furniture and that kind of stuff. But I wouldn’t say it’s a hobby because it’s not ongoing. I feel like a hobby is something you kind of do…

Liz Wolfe: I think when you're 80 you’ll come up with a hobby.

Diane Sanfilippo: I mean, I used to make jewelry as a hobby and then I turned that into a business. So it’s like; you know, give me long enough and I’ll start selling it. {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Yeah, exactly.

Diane Sanfilippo: But right now, I don’t. Sorry. What’s your hobby? You have a hobby?

Liz Wolfe: I don’t think I have a hobby. I like playing soccer. {laughs} Don’t do it much. The farming thing was kind of a hobby. A life altering hobby that we took on. I like reading and writing, but I found a way to make money off of that. So one day I hope to take up gardening as a hobby so I can do a better job at it.

43. Favorite app [57:30]

Cassy Joy: Do you guys have a favorite app on your phone?

Liz Wolfe: I use Marco Polo and Voxer a lot.

Diane Sanfilippo: I mean, favorite, or that I use the most? I’m probably on Instagram the most.

Liz Wolfe: Don’t make it complicated.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: This is literally the easiest question we’ve had all day.

Diane Sanfilippo: Listen.

Liz Wolfe: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Listen, Linda.

Liz Wolfe: {laughing}

Diane Sanfilippo: There isn’t anything else that I would call a favorite. Sorry.

Cassy Joy: Ok. What are ways;

Diane Sanfilippo: No?

Cassy Joy: That’s ok. Instagram’s a good one.

Diane Sanfilippo: We already know how I feel about the question about favorites, so.

Cassy Joy: {laughing}

Diane Sanfilippo: We can be all moving past that.

44. Building margin in your life [58:12]

Cassy Joy: What are ways that you build margin into your life? I.e., pay someone to clean your house, use a meal-prep service, etc.

Liz Wolfe: That is a great question. That’s something I’m working on right now. I think we’re going to get somebody to come clean the house. I did hire somebody to mow the lawn because I didn’t want my husband out there doing that for 2.5 hours a week. And other than that, childcare.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah, we have someone clean the house every couple of weeks. And my team. That, for me, is like, have the help to do the work that we want to do and not be trying to spread myself too thinly to try to do everything myself. And actually it’s honestly super rewarding to do that. But, yeah. I think that’s pretty much it. I also don’t say yes to almost anything these days. I say no to almost everything; mostly work related. I mean, I try to say yes to some personal things so that I can see friends and have fun. But a long time ago, I would try to do too many things in one day and now it’s like I try and just do one thing in a day.

Cassy Joy: Awesome. Second to last question, and I’m going to circle back to the Real Housewives tag line.

Diane Sanfilippo: Oh, I haven’t had time to think! We’ve been talking the whole time!

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Liz, you write both of them. You're a better writer.

Liz Wolfe: Ugh. Ok.

Diane Sanfilippo: She’s an Obliger! She said ok!

45. How have you changed from episode 1 to 300 [59:44]

Cassy Joy: {laughing} Ok. How have you changed between episodes 1 and 300?

Diane Sanfilippo: Ooh.

Cassy Joy: Diane. Liz has some thinking to do.

Liz Wolfe: Ooh. We could answer this for each other, too. I’m a lot more confident now in the voice that I have, and that there are people out there that actually want to hear from me. And that I can help. I still struggle with that, but at least I’m aware of it. And I think I; you know, I became a mom so that’s got to have changed some things. People probably noticed that.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Not so confident about that part of my life. But I think overall, just confidence in feeling like we’re doing something good for people and that I have something to share.

Diane Sanfilippo: I think from the beginning until now, I think we both used to be a lot more intent on having answers. And I think now, which is reflective of our personalities as we discussed a little while ago, I think we’re much more comfortable providing a way for people to think about the question that they asked, or to think about possibilities. Different options of answers or solutions or ideas or what have you. So I think that we’ve both evolved in that way to present thoughts and ideas, rather than “here’s the answer.” I mean, I think we’ve always had a bit of that. And we’ve never claimed to be like, “Well obviously this is the answer.” But I think also recognizing a lot more of the impact of our thoughts and our stress and our life style, more so than we used to talk a lot more about whether or not someone was still eating gluten and if they’d been strict paleo, and what have you.

And perhaps the product of the nature of the podcast drew things that way. But I think that’s been a big change for us. And I honestly am glad that we’ve done that because our listeners; you guys really seem to love and respond to that. And I think it’s a good place to be, because I think if we really think and feel that way, then we have a responsibility to communicate that and encourage you guys to think that way. And like you had said before, Liz, the idea of being more forgiving of yourself. I think there’s too much strictness and dogma, so I think that’s a big change. But in myself personally, I’m sure that’s been a change in myself as well over the years.

And also, I met Scott and got married in the years. And there were a couple of people recently said they had listened back to old ones before we met, or when I first ever mentioned him. I think that’s been nice. I think it’s in general softened me further. In good ways.

46. Real Housewives tag line [1:02:28]

Cassy Joy: That’s so sweet! Ok. And to go out with a bang. {laughs} What would be your Real Housewives tag line?

Liz Wolfe: Ok, Diane I have one for you.

Diane Sanfilippo: Go.

Liz Wolfe: This is so lame. But. “You can take the girl out of Jersey, but you can’t take the Jersey out of the girl.” And this is me on like 30 seconds notice.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah, totally.

Liz Wolfe: My tag line would be, “Is this real life?”

Cassy Joy: I love it.

Diane Sanfilippo: That’s awesome.

Liz Wolfe: That’s all I got.

Diane Sanfilippo: Thank you. Because I had zero creative energy for that one. We should probably think about that.

Liz Wolfe: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: I dropped an earbud.

Liz Wolfe: Cassy, what would your Real Housewives tag line be?

Diane Sanfilippo: What would yours be?

Cassy Joy: Oh no! I wasn’t thinking! {laughs}

Liz Wolfe: Hard isn’t it?

Cassy Joy: I used to have one. It is tough. It is tough. I promise to come on social media and say it when I think of it.

Liz Wolfe: It would be something great.

Diane Sanfilippo: We could probably do that on Instagram when we announce this episode. So no pressure to any of us, but we’ve got a couple of weeks until this one airs. So, we can noodle on it.

Liz Wolfe: Ok.

Cassy Joy: I love it.

Liz Wolfe: We can noodle.

Cassy Joy: Awesome. Well thank you ladies for having me! This was so fun.

Diane Sanfilippo: Thanks for doing this!

Liz Wolfe: Yeah, thanks for doing it friend. You're awesome.

Cassy Joy: I loved it.

Liz Wolfe: Alright guys, that will do it for this week then. You can find me, Liz, at http://realfoodliz.com/ and you can find Diane at http://dianesanfilippo.com. And of course, you can find Cassy at www.FedandFit.com. Join our email lists for free goodies and updates that you don’t find anywhere else on our websites or on the podcast. While you’re on the internet, leave us an iTunes review. See you next week.

Comments 4

  1. This was a miss.
    Diane’s condescension and arrogance hits all time highs,
    She appears to believe that she is just all around better than Liz, in all aspects, always.
    A tough listen.

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      Not sure what you’re talking about, Julia. If you’re picking up that feeling, perhaps you’re not trying to get to know either of us at all. We have a very balanced friendship and relationship – and we’re very different in what has “publicly facing” effects. So, maybe you’re sensing something we don’t feel, but I can’t change that for you. I love and respect Liz 100% and don’t feel at all that I’m better than her in any way.

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